Rugby League - Kiwis
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@Nogusta said in New Zealand Kiwis:
We should try and lock in Jack Howarth.
We can try, but long odds considering he will be on the Origin radar pretty soon.
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Is TMM injured? If not how on earth do they select Dockar-Clay over him?
TBF, that original article is way out of date, NAS is still in the team.
@Crazy-Horse It's utter B/S that players can't pick NZ and Origin. The NRL are wanking on about how great international league is now with the rise of Tonga and Samoa, but the current Origin selection rules are predicated on them being tier 2. This actually annoys me so much I think I should be posting this on the Grumpy Old Man thread.
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Wouldn't it be cool to have Warbrick in an All Black jumper in addition to him repping for Aussie Rules, Rugby 7s and League (which seems inevitable). Holding a bit of hope that we may get Madge back at some stage as Kiwis coach now that he isn't Blues coach anymore. He definetly expressed a strong desire to coach the Kiwis and get a League World Cup.
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@Nepia said in Rugby League - Kiwis:
Is TMM injured? If not how on earth do they select Dockar-Clay over him?
TBF, that original article is way out of date, NAS is still in the team.
@Crazy-Horse It's utter B/S that players can't pick NZ and Origin. The NRL are wanking on about how great international league is now with the rise of Tonga and Samoa, but the current Origin selection rules are predicated on them being tier 2. This actually annoys me so much I think I should be posting this on the Grumpy Old Man thread.
although their whole idea of supporting the rise of International league is to still not deter from Australia, just weaken NZ
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international rugby league is way better now with players actively wanting to play for Samoa and Tonga.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby League - Kiwis:
international rugby league is way better now with players actively wanting to play for Samoa and Tonga.
It can be better again by allowing players to actively want to play for NZ too.
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why? So we can pick a bunch of guys with questionable eligibility but are brown? like the "good" old days?
The fact is rugby league is an australian sport played by people who live almost their whole lives in Australia and learn the game in Australian systems.
And as the league becomes more and more pacific islanderised (yes i just made that term up) there will be more and more who choose their heritage. At some point the ARL will change the Origin rules, but i see it as a tightening not a loosening. They will want Australia to be the top side. -
That is why it would be a good idea for the international game to be run outside of the NRL/ARL jurisdiction. Not unlike an Indian style T20 competition. That would involve huge money. Don't really know if the NRL would like that unless there was something in it for them. We don't even have neutral referees in International league, if they do it is rare.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby League - Kiwis:
why? So we can pick a bunch of guys with questionable eligibility but are brown? like the "good" old days?
The fact is rugby league is an australian sport played by people who live almost their whole lives in Australia and learn the game in Australian systems.
And as the league becomes more and more pacific islanderised (yes i just made that term up) there will be more and more who choose their heritage. At some point the ARL will change the Origin rules, but i see it as a tightening not a loosening. They will want Australia to be the top side.I think there are some cases where people want to honour their heritage, not just NZ vz Island heritage for example.
Ponga was asked (and wanted to play for NZ) but didn't want to ruin his Origin commitments. Ironically now not wanting to represent Australia anyway (but still play origin).
I do enjoy a stronger international league and enjoy the fact that more players embrace playing for other countries if they can.
I just think Australia can go a bit further.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby League - Kiwis:
why? So we can pick a bunch of guys with questionable eligibility but are brown? like the "good" old days?
The fact is rugby league is an australian sport played by people who live almost their whole lives in Australia and learn the game in Australian systems.
And as the league becomes more and more pacific islanderised (yes i just made that term up) there will be more and more who choose their heritage. At some point the ARL will change the Origin rules, but i see it as a tightening not a loosening. They will want Australia to be the top side.Why are you happy for PIs to do this but not NZers? Why is PI heritage worth more than NZ heritage?
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no, you misunderstand. i don't give a shit. i can't remember the last league test i watched. I just think it's farcical for kiwis to whinge about eligibility and international selection given our history.
I seem to remember the kiwis flogging the aussies last time out as well? so we can't be going that bad.
Or do you just really want stephen crichton to play for NZ because he lived in Auckland for 10 months as a 1 year old
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@mariner4life said in Rugby League - Kiwis:
Or do you just really want stephen crichton to play for NZ because he lived in Auckland for 10 months as a 1 year old
If this got him to the Warriors....yes lol
yes I realize no chance to both
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@bayimports said in Rugby League - Kiwis:
If this got him to the Warriors....yes lol
wait, now you've changed things. i now too want this
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@mariner4life said in Rugby League - Kiwis:
no, you misunderstand. i don't give a shit. i can't remember the last league test i watched. I just think it's farcical for kiwis to whinge about eligibility and international selection given our history.
I seem to remember the kiwis flogging the aussies last time out as well? so we can't be going that bad.
Or do you just really want stephen crichton to play for NZ because he lived in Auckland for 10 months as a 1 year old
That's not a great example. There's NZers in Oz who could qualify via parentage for NZ and birth and/or residence for Origin, just like the majority of Origin playing Samoans. Yet, they can't, due to arbitrary rules. Howarth playing Origin and NZ why really isn't any different than Luai playing Origin and Samoa.
Also, if you actually don't give a shit why are you here?
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because it's better than working
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Jack Howarth is an australian born in Mackay who played for the Australian schoolboys.
Why would you want him to play for NZ? Why would he want to? As something to do while he waits for a possible Origin call up? You want the kiwis to be sloppy seconds?
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@mariner4life said in Rugby League - Kiwis:
Jack Howarth is an australian born in Mackay who played for the Australian schoolboys.
Why would you want him to play for NZ? Why would he want to? As something to do while he waits for a possible Origin call up? You want the kiwis to be sloppy seconds?
Luai is an Australian born in Sydney who has played for everybody at some stage.
Why do Samoan's want him to play for Samoa?
Aus born NZers can be as committed to NZ as Aus born Samoans (on NZ born Samoans) are to Samoa. They don't have some magical mystical culture that makes them more "Samoan".
If Howarth wants to play for NZ then why would I not want him to?
I don't think anyone had a problem with the Oz born and raised TKB playing for NZ.
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@Nepia said in Rugby League - Kiwis:
If Howarth wants to play for NZ then why would I not want him to?
does he? if he does want to play then they will pick him and this is a pointless argument.
The flip side of your other comment, is just because your dad is from NZ doesn't mean you have any commitment to the country at all.
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@mariner4life said in Rugby League - Kiwis:
@Nepia said in Rugby League - Kiwis:
If Howarth wants to play for NZ then why would I not want him to?
does he? if he does want to play then they will pick him and this is a pointless argument.
The flip side of your other comment, is just because your dad is from NZ doesn't mean you have any commitment to the country at all.
It's not about Howarth. A guy in his position does not have the choice yet Luai does. All I want is the same choice for everyone. I also said "if" in relation to Howarth, I don't know him he's just an example of someone who doesn't have that choice. Ponga could have been a different example.
If someone has no commitment to NZ then I don't care. We're not discussing them anyway.
