All Blacks vs Wallabies 2
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
The ABs won, and probably would have won without those couple of lapses by the Wallabies, however I think this AB team is papering over cracks, and running out of glue.
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Your scrum got slapped around by a guy on one leg. I think perhaps you're missing a big grunter with technical nous in your second row.
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I thought - besides Sititi's tearing runs - your backrow got outplayed. Savea did a couple of nice things but you surely can't keep Cane on.
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Your defensive lineout is good. Attacking lineout generally OK but if the 10th ranked team is picking you off, the top 6N sides are going to be licking their lips.
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This helter-skelter bullshit in general play isn't going to cut it against top opponents with patience and cohesion. There aren't many guys in the starting 8 who are rolling up their sleeves and smashing blokes TBH. I don't think the ABs were dominant in contact as many times as the scoreline might otherwise suggest.
I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.
Agree with all of this.
I am really concerned about the EOYT particularly with your 4th point in mind.
Think about those final 38 or so phases against Ireland in the RWC that ended the game.
This iteration of the Allblacks concedes a try or gets a bloke carded after 4 or 5 of those phases.
We are all fur coat and no knickers.
We dont have bread and butter players like Kaino, or Nonu who we can just drop it off to, to make a guaranteed 4 yards and then recycle and go again. And even if we did have those players we dont have a pragmatist in the ten shirt who wont just kick it away at the first sight of pressure.
Similarly we dont have Kainos or Brad Thorns or Mealamus who dont take a backward step in defence.
Ardie for example seems to always want a judo match on D.
Remember when Read used to just bend at the hips and empty people in the midriff. Ardie wants to have a cuddle and a wrestle. For all his leg drive exploits too, I yearn for a Harry Wilson or Vermuelen type who winds up for a big carry and just plays with a bit of spite.
We lack starch on both sides of the ball, and that gets you nowhere against England Ireland and France away from home.
It was a step forward for this test no?
against Ireland.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
It's the same Wallabies side that's ranked 10th in the world. The one we came close to losing to 2 weeks ago after leading 28-7 when we went to shit in the second half
We still won.
In a dead rubber with nothing to lose this was the perfect game to try new players. Instead Robertson went safety-first with players past their best, learned little and, as far as questions are concerned, answered little
maybe Razor read your posts and thought he had to win this one.
Some improvement in focus overall in this game (not hard considering the nadir of 2 weeks ago) but still nowhere near as good as we were this time last year.
So Razor's team in half a year should be better than Foster's team in year 4, stacked with AB legends?
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Horatio said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
This is a classic Bledisloe fluffer match for the ABs. An awful, awful Wallabies side to give them confidence they aren't on the wrong trajectory ahead of an EOYT.
A real team would have punished them for some of the silly mistakes they made out there.
It's the same Wallabies side that didn't entirely get humped by the Springboks, and won away against Argentina. For 120 minutes we owned the Springboks. It may have just been the game they needed to answer some questions.
It's the same Wallabies side that's ranked 10th in the world. The one we came close to losing to 2 weeks ago after leading 28-7 when we went to shit in the second half
In a dead rubber with nothing to lose this was the perfect game to try new players. Instead Robertson went safety-first with players past their best, learned little and, as far as questions are concerned, answered little
Some improvement in focus overall in this game (not hard considering the nadir of 2 weeks ago) but still nowhere near as good as we were this time last year.
There goes the Chicken Little attitude. Was waiting for it. Dooomed I say, dooooomed!
It was a much improved performance......compared to the absolute fucking dross we got a week ago.
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
The ABs won, and probably would have won without those couple of lapses by the Wallabies, however I think this AB team is papering over cracks, and running out of glue.
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Your scrum got slapped around by a guy on one leg. I think perhaps you're missing a big grunter with technical nous in your second row.
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I thought - besides Sititi's tearing runs - your backrow got outplayed. Savea did a couple of nice things but you surely can't keep Cane on.
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Your defensive lineout is good. Attacking lineout generally OK but if the 10th ranked team is picking you off, the top 6N sides are going to be licking their lips.
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This helter-skelter bullshit in general play isn't going to cut it against top opponents with patience and cohesion. There aren't many guys in the starting 8 who are rolling up their sleeves and smashing blokes TBH. I don't think the ABs were dominant in contact as many times as the scoreline might otherwise suggest.
I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.
Agree with all of this.
I am really concerned about the EOYT particularly with your 4th point in mind.
Think about those final 38 or so phases against Ireland in the RWC that ended the game.
This iteration of the Allblacks concedes a try or gets a bloke carded after 4 or 5 of those phases.
We are all fur coat and no knickers.
We dont have bread and butter players like Kaino, or Nonu who we can just drop it off to, to make a guaranteed 4 yards and then recycle and go again. And even if we did have those players we dont have a pragmatist in the ten shirt who wont just kick it away at the first sight of pressure.
Similarly we dont have Kainos or Brad Thorns or Mealamus who dont take a backward step in defence.
Ardie for example seems to always want a judo match on D.
Remember when Read used to just bend at the hips and empty people in the midriff. Ardie wants to have a cuddle and a wrestle. For all his leg drive exploits too, I yearn for a Harry Wilson or Vermuelen type who winds up for a big carry and just plays with a bit of spite.
We lack starch on both sides of the ball, and that gets you nowhere against England Ireland and France away from home.
It was a step forward for this test no?
against Ireland.
I think we'll do better than many think on the EOYT. Wins against Ireland and England clearly possible if we get the headspace right.
They'll be up for the Ireland match in particular.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
The All Blacks' current form/ability clearly continues to be massively underestimated...
It isn't the ability, it's the mental side of things that's the issue.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Mr-Fish I think Italy are better side than Australia at the point. Yes.
If we play as badly as we did in Sydney or in Wellington against Argentina, then an Italian win is possible.
Italy's the one that we can't take for granted, Their ranking is 2 places above Oz and are clearly on the rise.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Mr-Fish I think Italy are better side than Australia at the point. Yes.
If we play as badly as we did in Sydney or in Wellington against Argentina, then an Italian win is possible.
Italy's the one that we can't take for granted, Their ranking is 2 places above Oz and are clearly on the rise.
I think Italy remain total dross.
Yes they had some good results in the Six Nations, but they also lost against Samoa in July. I think the good games are the outliers. It's just like last year how NZ thumped them in the World Cup after everyone was talking them up on the back of a last-minute win over Wales in 2022.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax Beating the 10th best side in the world by 20 points at home is no more than a par IMHO. This was a 7/10 performance and that's being generous.
There is a helluva a lot of work to do if we are to avoid three or four defeats on the EOYT.
Dude, no one is saying we're going to smash Ireland. But to suggest that was not an improvement from last week is ridiculous. I agree it was a par, last week was below par which suggests this week was an improvement.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Horatio said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
This is a classic Bledisloe fluffer match for the ABs. An awful, awful Wallabies side to give them confidence they aren't on the wrong trajectory ahead of an EOYT.
A real team would have punished them for some of the silly mistakes they made out there.
It's the same Wallabies side that didn't entirely get humped by the Springboks, and won away against Argentina. For 120 minutes we owned the Springboks. It may have just been the game they needed to answer some questions.
It's the same Wallabies side that's ranked 10th in the world. The one we came close to losing to 2 weeks ago after leading 28-7 when we went to shit in the second half
In a dead rubber with nothing to lose this was the perfect game to try new players. Instead Robertson went safety-first with players past their best, learned little and, as far as questions are concerned, answered little
Some improvement in focus overall in this game (not hard considering the nadir of 2 weeks ago) but still nowhere near as good as we were this time last year.
So a 20 point win is not an improvement? Did we go to shit? Did we score points in the last quarter? Did we blank in the second half?
As I said, there was some improvement in focus, but it's bonkers to think not going to pieces and actually scoring points in the last quarter against the 10th based side is some magical, corner-turning improvement. Less than 12 months ago we came within one point of winning the RWC and - to use your words - we owned the Springboks for 75% of the game a few weeks back. Seriously?
Your memory is really short. Fosters side got humped 35-7 and was only a freak run from CamRoi from being blanked. Also lost for the first time in a pool match and almost lost to Australia twice.
Foster's gone. Live with it and focus on this teams direction.
You're the one who keeps referencing last year FFS. Who was the coach last year?
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
The ABs won, and probably would have won without those couple of lapses by the Wallabies, however I think this AB team is papering over cracks, and running out of glue.
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Your scrum got slapped around by a guy on one leg. I think perhaps you're missing a big grunter with technical nous in your second row.
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I thought - besides Sititi's tearing runs - your backrow got outplayed. Savea did a couple of nice things but you surely can't keep Cane on.
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Your defensive lineout is good. Attacking lineout generally OK but if the 10th ranked team is picking you off, the top 6N sides are going to be licking their lips.
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This helter-skelter bullshit in general play isn't going to cut it against top opponents with patience and cohesion. There aren't many guys in the starting 8 who are rolling up their sleeves and smashing blokes TBH. I don't think the ABs were dominant in contact as many times as the scoreline might otherwise suggest.
I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.
Agree with all of this.
I am really concerned about the EOYT particularly with your 4th point in mind.
Think about those final 38 or so phases against Ireland in the RWC that ended the game.
This iteration of the Allblacks concedes a try or gets a bloke carded after 4 or 5 of those phases.
We are all fur coat and no knickers.
We dont have bread and butter players like Kaino, or Nonu who we can just drop it off to, to make a guaranteed 4 yards and then recycle and go again. And even if we did have those players we dont have a pragmatist in the ten shirt who wont just kick it away at the first sight of pressure.
Similarly we dont have Kainos or Brad Thorns or Mealamus who dont take a backward step in defence.
Ardie for example seems to always want a judo match on D.
Remember when Read used to just bend at the hips and empty people in the midriff. Ardie wants to have a cuddle and a wrestle. For all his leg drive exploits too, I yearn for a Harry Wilson or Vermuelen type who winds up for a big carry and just plays with a bit of spite.
We lack starch on both sides of the ball, and that gets you nowhere against England Ireland and France away from home.
It was a step forward for this test no?
against Ireland.
We haven't played Ireland.
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
The ABs won, and probably would have won without those couple of lapses by the Wallabies, however I think this AB team is papering over cracks, and running out of glue.
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Your scrum got slapped around by a guy on one leg. I think perhaps you're missing a big grunter with technical nous in your second row.
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I thought - besides Sititi's tearing runs - your backrow got outplayed. Savea did a couple of nice things but you surely can't keep Cane on.
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Your defensive lineout is good. Attacking lineout generally OK but if the 10th ranked team is picking you off, the top 6N sides are going to be licking their lips.
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This helter-skelter bullshit in general play isn't going to cut it against top opponents with patience and cohesion. There aren't many guys in the starting 8 who are rolling up their sleeves and smashing blokes TBH. I don't think the ABs were dominant in contact as many times as the scoreline might otherwise suggest.
I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.
Agree with all of this.
I am really concerned about the EOYT particularly with your 4th point in mind.
Think about those final 38 or so phases against Ireland in the RWC that ended the game.
This iteration of the Allblacks concedes a try or gets a bloke carded after 4 or 5 of those phases.
We are all fur coat and no knickers.
We dont have bread and butter players like Kaino, or Nonu who we can just drop it off to, to make a guaranteed 4 yards and then recycle and go again. And even if we did have those players we dont have a pragmatist in the ten shirt who wont just kick it away at the first sight of pressure.
Similarly we dont have Kainos or Brad Thorns or Mealamus who dont take a backward step in defence.
Ardie for example seems to always want a judo match on D.
Remember when Read used to just bend at the hips and empty people in the midriff. Ardie wants to have a cuddle and a wrestle. For all his leg drive exploits too, I yearn for a Harry Wilson or Vermuelen type who winds up for a big carry and just plays with a bit of spite.
We lack starch on both sides of the ball, and that gets you nowhere against England Ireland and France away from home.
It was a step forward for this test no?
against Ireland.
We haven't played Ireland.
Read my initial post you quoted again.
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
You're the one who keeps referencing last year FFS. Who was the coach last year?
Because we're talking about progress and direction of travel this year. Who the coach was last year is totally irrelevant
Last year we won the RC, beat SA at Ellis Park and came within a gnat's dick of winning the RWC with 14 men. Now we are expected to sing "halle-fucking-lujah, we're on a roll!", when we don't go to pieces and manage to actually score points in the second half in a home game against the 10th best team in the world.
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@Mr-Fish said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Mr-Fish I think Italy are better side than Australia at the point. Yes.
If we play as badly as we did in Sydney or in Wellington against Argentina, then an Italian win is possible.
Italy's the one that we can't take for granted, Their ranking is 2 places above Oz and are clearly on the rise.
I think Italy remain total dross.
Yes they had some good results in the Six Nations, but they also lost against Samoa in July. I think the good games are the outliers. It's just like last year how NZ thumped them in the World Cup after everyone was talking them up on the back of a last-minute win over Wales in 2022.
My point is maybe we thumped them because we didn't take them for granted...
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Frank said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Canes4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Machpants said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
Tosi is a monster, fuck he's good
Once he’s sorted out his scrummaging he’ll be a beast.
How shit is it?
Not shit but he’s only played prop for three years so his ceiling is high.
Was very effective following on from Tyrel in Superb Rugby.
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@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
The ABs won, and probably would have won without those couple of lapses by the Wallabies, however I think this AB team is papering over cracks, and running out of glue.
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Your scrum got slapped around by a guy on one leg. I think perhaps you're missing a big grunter with technical nous in your second row.
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I thought - besides Sititi's tearing runs - your backrow got outplayed. Savea did a couple of nice things but you surely can't keep Cane on.
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Your defensive lineout is good. Attacking lineout generally OK but if the 10th ranked team is picking you off, the top 6N sides are going to be licking their lips.
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This helter-skelter bullshit in general play isn't going to cut it against top opponents with patience and cohesion. There aren't many guys in the starting 8 who are rolling up their sleeves and smashing blokes TBH. I don't think the ABs were dominant in contact as many times as the scoreline might otherwise suggest.
I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.
Agree with all of this.
I am really concerned about the EOYT particularly with your 4th point in mind.
Think about those final 38 or so phases against Ireland in the RWC that ended the game.
This iteration of the Allblacks concedes a try or gets a bloke carded after 4 or 5 of those phases.
We are all fur coat and no knickers.
We dont have bread and butter players like Kaino, or Nonu who we can just drop it off to, to make a guaranteed 4 yards and then recycle and go again. And even if we did have those players we dont have a pragmatist in the ten shirt who wont just kick it away at the first sight of pressure.
Similarly we dont have Kainos or Brad Thorns or Mealamus who dont take a backward step in defence.
Ardie for example seems to always want a judo match on D.
Remember when Read used to just bend at the hips and empty people in the midriff. Ardie wants to have a cuddle and a wrestle. For all his leg drive exploits too, I yearn for a Harry Wilson or Vermuelen type who winds up for a big carry and just plays with a bit of spite.
We lack starch on both sides of the ball, and that gets you nowhere against England Ireland and France away from home.
It was a step forward for this test no?
against Ireland.
We haven't played Ireland.
Read my initial post you quoted again.
And I was commenting on the bit where you refer to "this iteration".
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
You're the one who keeps referencing last year FFS. Who was the coach last year?
Because we're talking about progress and direction of travel this year. Who the coach was last year is totally irrelevant
Last year we won the RC, beat SA at Ellis Park and came within a gnat's dick of winning the RWC with 14 men. Now we are expected to sing "halle-fucking-lujah, we're on a roll!", when we don't go to pieces and manage to actually score points in the second half in a home game against the 10th best team in the world.
You have lost the fucking plot. All we're suggesting is that this is an improvement on last week and you're comparing 4 years of Fozz-ball vs 7 tests of Ray Ray.
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@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@LatsToTheMax said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@Jet said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
@NTA said in All Blacks vs Wallabies 2:
The ABs won, and probably would have won without those couple of lapses by the Wallabies, however I think this AB team is papering over cracks, and running out of glue.
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Your scrum got slapped around by a guy on one leg. I think perhaps you're missing a big grunter with technical nous in your second row.
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I thought - besides Sititi's tearing runs - your backrow got outplayed. Savea did a couple of nice things but you surely can't keep Cane on.
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Your defensive lineout is good. Attacking lineout generally OK but if the 10th ranked team is picking you off, the top 6N sides are going to be licking their lips.
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This helter-skelter bullshit in general play isn't going to cut it against top opponents with patience and cohesion. There aren't many guys in the starting 8 who are rolling up their sleeves and smashing blokes TBH. I don't think the ABs were dominant in contact as many times as the scoreline might otherwise suggest.
I think Razor needs to be a bit honest with himself and his coaching panel and get these blokes to knuckle down or fuck off.
Agree with all of this.
I am really concerned about the EOYT particularly with your 4th point in mind.
Think about those final 38 or so phases against Ireland in the RWC that ended the game.
This iteration of the Allblacks concedes a try or gets a bloke carded after 4 or 5 of those phases.
We are all fur coat and no knickers.
We dont have bread and butter players like Kaino, or Nonu who we can just drop it off to, to make a guaranteed 4 yards and then recycle and go again. And even if we did have those players we dont have a pragmatist in the ten shirt who wont just kick it away at the first sight of pressure.
Similarly we dont have Kainos or Brad Thorns or Mealamus who dont take a backward step in defence.
Ardie for example seems to always want a judo match on D.
Remember when Read used to just bend at the hips and empty people in the midriff. Ardie wants to have a cuddle and a wrestle. For all his leg drive exploits too, I yearn for a Harry Wilson or Vermuelen type who winds up for a big carry and just plays with a bit of spite.
We lack starch on both sides of the ball, and that gets you nowhere against England Ireland and France away from home.
It was a step forward for this test no?
against Ireland.
We haven't played Ireland.
Read my initial post you quoted again.
And I was commenting on the bit where you refer to "this iteration".
This iteration of the Allblacks would have conceded a try or a card to Ireland in the first 4 or 5 phases of the final play of the 1/4 final against Ireland. Thats my point. They wouldnt hold out for 38 phases. They concede ground hand over fist.
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