2024 NZ Schools Rugby
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@Bovidae That would make sense. Moore's an interesting one, as I also saw several team sheets with him playing number eight. Another loose forward converted to the front row, it seems.
Pahulu and Van Der Westhuizen seem like the obvious candidates for the wing, but you're right about the recent selection policy. I hope they keep Guerin in the midfield. I like his defensive reads in the position.
I was impressed by Inch when I saw him play (hairstyle notwithstanding). He has good variety to his attacking game, maybe just a tad overeager at times. It'll be interesting to see whether the selectors go for cohesion or individual skillset.
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Players grow very quickly at this level so often their position changes. The current Hamilton BHS no.8 was the TH prop the previous year. Ollie Guerin is very quick, which is why he could be a candidate for the wing. He's a Y12 so a good chance to be involved in 2025 too.
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I figured I would do the same positional breakdown of the BaaBaas U18. Again, feel free to point out any mistakes or oversights.
Props: Tamiano Ahloo; Raharuhi Palmer; Presley McHugh; Samuela Takapu; Dane Johnston
Hookers: Alani Fakava; Tom Martin
Locks: Jake Frost; Frazer Brown; Johnny Falloon; Max Fale
Loose forwards: Micah Fale (6/7); Gregor Rutledge (6/7); Rupeni Raviyawa (8); Drew Berg-McLean (6/7)
Halfbacks: Mitchell Swann; Benji Nation
First Five-Eights: Mika Muliaina; Rios Tasmania
Midfield/Outside backs: Fanua Fa'avae; Jack Wiseman; Peni Havea; Reimana Saunderson-Rurawhe; Lautasi Etuale; Pyrenees Boyle-Tiatia
Similar to the Schools' side, lots of positional flexibility. I've listed players where I've seen them play, not necessarily where I think they will play for the Barbarians. I've given up on making clear distinctions between the midfield and outside backs. Boyle-Tiatia has also played a lot at first five, so he might end up playing there as well.
Looking at the side like this, next to the Schools side, I think the Barbarians forward pack is very strong, especially at prop. Ahloo, Johnston, and Takapu especially are big dudes who scrum and maul well while also offering a lot in the carry. I would think Greg Feek had a prominent role at the selection table for this side.
It's in the backline where I think the Schools' side possesses a lot more pedigree and control. Again, looking at the two sides next to each other, you'd think the two teams would go for quite different game plans.
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@Mauss Palmer, Fale and Boyle-Tiatia have been playing for the Waikato U19s. Fale has actually being playing no.8 while at club level he was at 7. Boyle-Tiatia has alternated between centre and fullback in the games I have seen.
I'll go to the games and will copy the match programmes if the teams aren't listed.
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@Bovidae Cheers. Hopefully there's some more consistent information provided by NZR this year, but communication has been sparse for a long time now.
Interesting to hear about Fale, although he does strike me as a player who can be effective across the backrow. Going well at eight, you reckon?
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Micah Fale isn't that tall but is quick and runs hard at weak shoulders. He has got good ball skills too with the ability to offload in contact. The loose forward trio in today's game were all actually sevens (Oli Mathis and Liam Anderson being the others).
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@Bovidae There was a lot of talk about Mathis after last year's games against Aussie schoolboys - and justifiably so - but Fale had some really impressive outings as well. I still think he is best suited to openside, looking for opportunities around the ruck and linking in open play, but it makes sense that Waikato is looking for ways to best combine Mathis and Fale. Some talent to come through at the same time.
Haven't seen much of Anderson but I'll keep a look out for any available footage. Thanks for the updates, always fascinating.
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@Mauss said in 2024 NZ Schools Rugby:
Haven't seen much of Anderson but I'll keep a look out for any available footage. Thanks for the updates, always fascinating.
He was in the Māori U18s last year and if you watch the footage on YT of the 2022 Top 4 final Anderson was the no.8 for Hamilton BHS. Playing 7 for Fraser Tech in club rugby. He's taller than both Mathis and Fale so is usually at 6.
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@Bovidae Thanks. Should be plenty of available footage then. I see that he played against the Northland U19s for the Māori U18s, but that was a rather one-sided affair. I'll look at some of his games for HBHS.
Speaking of Māori U18s, I've been trying to look at the players of this year's team in order to get a sense of their positions and their potential strengths and weaknesses. But it's been tough to find even team sheets on some occasions, the Wairarapa College 1st XV, for example, seemingly being entered without numbers on the sporty.co.nz draws and results website. In the case of a player like Mako Blackman (great name, by the way), he's mentioned by the Gisborne Herald in 2023 as playing for Gisborne Boys' High in the reserve frontrow, but I haven't found any footage with him actually playing there.
Anyway, this is just to disclaim that I have very little faith in the accuracy of this positional breakdown. I've also only found one halfback - Kah’nal Ngawati - but I suspect a player like Le'Sharn Reiri-Paku, who is usually a first-five, provides cover there. I've grouped halfbacks and first fives for this reason. Again, feel free to add and correct where necessary.
Props: Isireli Qaranivalu; Alex Hewitt; Kane Paranihi;
Hookers: Jericho Wharehinga; Jack McCarthy
Locks: Oliver Church (FL); Clark Sutcliffe; Alex Arnold (FL); Mako Blackman
Loose forwards: Kobe Brownlee; Caleb Woodley; Jayden Broome; Noah Gregory; Cruiz Simpson
Halfbacks/First five-eights: Kah’nal Ngawati; Le'Sharn Reiri-Paku; Dallas Rata-Makene
Midfield/Outside backs: Hiraka Waitai-Haenga; Ethan Mcmanemin; Ryder Crosswell; Charlie Carroll; Kaden Makea; Brayden Neilson; Isaac Turoa (10); Wiremu Brailey
The locks, especially Church and Arnold, also often play as flankers, so the side doesn't possess a whole lot of height. It'll be interesting how they go at set-piece. There is some real quality throughout the side, though: Waitai-Haenga has already been mentioned as being unlucky to not make the top side and Kobe Brownlee was always highly involved in the games I've watched. Mcmanemin is a tall, athletic back who has shown promise for Tauranga.
Edited for correction.
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@Bovidae Good catch. I'll change Blackman to lock. But I'm guessing then there's still a prop somewhere else in the squad list that I've put in the wrong place?
Arnold's a good lineout player, from what I've seen. And I think the Māori U18s can have a strong set-piece, even without genuine tall timber. But in a hypothetical match-up against NZ Schools - where someone like Tevita Tatafu is supposedly over 2 metres - you could see it get into some trouble. But I have no idea about the Fiji and Samoa U18s second row stocks, so I guess the point is moot.
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The Māori U18s often have some future stars in their team, who are Y11 or 12s. I made a comment in 2022 about liking their 1st 5 Rico Simpson. That team also included Raharuhi Palmer, Josh Tengblad, Ben O'Donovan, Josh Whanga, Logan Wallace and King Maxwell. All are in the NZ Schools or NZ U20s in the next year or two. Hopefully this squad is competitive too.
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@Bovidae That 2022 Māori U18 side was phenomenal to watch. I remember Liam McIntosh doing an absolute number on the NZ Schools scrum. Their entire group of props - with Palmer, Seeling, and Wallace - was really good.
I do think that side was somewhat exceptionally loaded with talent though. Looking at last year's Māori squad list, I don't expect a huge number of guys to challenge for NZ U20 spots (and none of them made this year's NZ Schools). That's not to say that there's not some great talent: Stanley Solomon, obviously, has had a great year and there are those, like Dylan Eti and Liam Sturm, who I think have a high ceiling.
As for this year's side, I think they should be competitive, although I don't think they'll quite reach the heights of the 2022 side. I am looking forward to watching this Māori loose forward group, though, I think it's nicely balanced.
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@Bovidae said in 2024 NZ Schools Rugby:
WEDNESDAY 2ND OCTOBER 2024
NZ Māori Under 18 v Fiji Under 18 – 12 midday (St Paul's Collegiate, Hamilton)
NZ Barbarian U18 v Australia Under 18 – 2pm (St Paul's Collegiate, Hamilton)
NZ Schools v Samoa Under 18 – 4pm (St Paul's Collegiate, Hamilton)SUNDAY 6TH OCTOBER 2024
NZ Māori Under 18 v Samoa Under 18 – 12 midday (FMG Stadium, Hamilton)
NZ Barbarian Under 18 v Fiji Under 18 – 2pm (FMG Stadium, Hamilton)
NZ Schools v Australia Under 18 – 4pm (FMG Stadium, Hamilton)THURSDAY 10TH OCTOBER 2024
Chiefs Under 18 v Samoa – 12 midday (St Paul's Collegiate, Hamilton)
NZ Schools v Fiji Under 18 – 2pm (St Paul's Collegiate, Hamilton)I just noticed that the earlier fixture list doesn't match up with the fixture list provided in the recent release by NZR, with Fiji U18 no longer being part of the tournament: https://www.nzrugby.co.nz/news-and-events/latest-news/nz-schools-nz-maori-u18-nga-whatukura-and-nz-barbarians-u18-teams-named
Anyone know what happened there?
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@Bovidae From what I could gather, the Fiji U18s will be playing two matches against the Australian Schoolboys in Fiji on September 27 and the 3rd of October:
Schools U18 side prepares for Aust
The Fiji Schoolboys under-18 team is currently in intense preparation for their upcoming two Test matches against Australia.
This isn't the Australian side that will be playing in New Zealand, as they also play on the 2nd of October in Hamilton against the NZ Barbarians U18. It seems that RA and the ASRU (Australian Schools Rugby Union) have come to an agreement concerning which side can actually call itself "the Australian Schoolboys team". Last year, at the same time as NZ Schools was playing against the Aussie Schools & U18 side, another side called "Australia Schools" played a series against Tonga Schools.
Now, in March of this year, the ASRU and RA have released a joint statement on their intent to "work hand in hand to develop, strengthen, foster, and promote schools' rugby in Australia". The end result is that the RA-backed high-performance side will now just be referred to as the U18 development squad, and the 'Schoolboy'-brand will be reserved for the side put out by the ASRU.
The joint statement can be found here:
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I also saw that the two sides (AU U18 and AU Schools) will be playing against each other in preparation for their respective series in New Zealand and Fiji, but I don't think it'll be available to the public, unfortunately.
As for why the Fiji U18 were first part of the tournament in NZ and subsequently weren't: I'd speculate they found the opportunity to play a home test series against Australia Schoolboys too good to turn down. But that's just speculation.
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@Bovidae I'm looking forward to watching some of the 1A guys like Stanley and Pahulu play for NZ Schools, also because there is so little coverage available to those outside of New Zealand (and I presume to those outside Auckland as well).
After watching some more footage this past week of both Van Der Heyden and Thomas Jennings, the Southland Boys' tighthead, I do wonder about how the NZ Schools scrum will fare. I like both players - Van Der Heyden was the lynchpin of a destructive Hamilton Boys' maul and Jennings seems like a typical, hard-nosed Southland prop - but I don't feel they were always that convincing at scrum time. Moore seems solid, although his strengths seem to lie more in the loose (from my very limited viewing). The unknown factor is, again, the 1A Auckland Grammar prop, Charlie Wallis. Perhaps there are some Auckland posters who can shed some more light on Wallis' performances in the scrum for Grammar?
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The 1A schools made a decision to not broadcast any games so you would be relying on parents/students to record any footage and upload. I saw AGS when they played Hamilton BHS, but to be honest I wasn't familiar with their players as it was earlier in the season. With Sky also not showing 1st XV rugby anymore there is little opportunity for the public to see games from across the country. The Super 8 might be the only competition where all games are live streamed.
