Hawkes Bay v Counties Manukau
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<p>What the hell?????</p>
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<p>yes Lowe got himself back onside before playing the ball. Fucking ref has no idea at all</p> -
<p>Well at least they enjoyed themselves even if they almost conceeded 50 at home </p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Stockcar86" data-cid="611294" data-time="1472716507">
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<p>Give <span style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Mikaele Tu'u a chance I say</span></p>
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<p>I assume he's playing with the U19s this Saturday.</p>
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<p>I predict another loss for both the Saracens and U19s by the way. The U18 girls might win. They seem to be our only winning team thus far.</p> -
<p>Where do we go to from here guys? Our team looks poorly coached, lacking in skills and general gamecraft and perhaps even a bit down on fitness given the way they seem to be more tired than the opposition toward the end of the game. We look to have limited penetration in midfield, absolutely appalling tackling and not too much go forward up front so there is certainly plenty of room for improvement. Some of these problems you can rectify but, sadly, lack of skills is not really one of them. No matter how good your coaching staff is they cannot compensate for that important consideration, even if they did have the vast majority of the say when it comes to picking their squad. Money cannot be used as a reason as the Bay have been one of the largest spenders on player salaries for the last few seasons so they theoretically should be able to use that as a carrot to assemble a squad to do us proud. I can accept losses, grudgingly of course, but losses of the magnitude we have had to endure so far are very disappointing. The writing was on the wall as early as the hidings we endured in the preseason matches so these performances have not exactly come as a surprise. Regardless it is still very hard to watch our beloved team getting completely demolished in the manner they have been.</p>
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<p>We are just going to have to suck it up and suffer as there is no way this trainwreck is going to be turned around this season.</p> -
<p>I think we are proven right that we have too many young/inexperienced players in the team and too few who tackle and communicate well. Everything looks so disorganised.</p>
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<p>Bring back Buckman and Horrell! Use voodoo or whatever to heal Edmonds and Evans. </p>
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<p>I also wonder whether Dixon is the right person for the captaincy. I really rate him as a player, but as a captain? He said in an interview that he wouldn't say much but just wanted to lead by example. With a young team like that, and clearly with lack of confidence, some of the issues are of a mental nature. I think you need someone who can talk, motivate, etc. Not sure who'd be better. Abbott (now vc)? We don't have many options, do we?</p> -
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<p>I assume he's playing with the U19s this Saturday.</p>
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<p>I predict another loss for both the Saracens and U19s by the way. <strong>The U18 girls might win. They seem to be our only winning team thus far</strong>.</p>
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<p>Not exactly true as I read an article somewhere that the HB teachers have formed a team and beat their teaching counterparts from another part of the country, obviously Mr. Philpot had no involvement!</p> -
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<p>Not exactly true as I read an article somewhere that the HB teachers have formed a team and beat their teaching counterparts from another part of the country, obviously Mr. Philpot had no involvement!</p>
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<p>If you're considering them a rep team, then you're definitely right! There's also a HB Samoan team now, so maybe they'll win, too! Don't think Philpot has anything to do with them either.</p> -
<p>Just got home from the match.</p>
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<p>It was obvious from a long way we weren't going to win.</p>
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<p>Putting subs on in the 70th and 74th minutes seemed an absolute waste of time when you're 20-41 down with ten minutes to go. </p>
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<p>Tackling again was an issue - but was very noticeable when the teams were doing their warmups that CM were physically a lot bigger (taller and wider). </p>
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<p>I don't see the point in persisting with Selesele and Fruean now. They wil be gone after this year regardless.</p>
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<p>Even as we head now towards the Championship, I say give these guys like Mikaele Tu'u (he is a big boy for 18 years) a go for the rest of the year. They will be around next year and the experience this year will be good for next year.</p>
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<p>Stargazer mentioned the captaincy. There was an injury break where Dixon was talking to the referee for a whole minute. Even as the teams were coming off the field at halftime Dixon and the referee were the last off the field with Dixon having whatever conversation he had with him. Dixon didnt appear to be reluctant and reticent to say something.</p>
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<p>Dont understand the slim young Tiaan Falcon coming on as a replacement for the bigger Ropiha at second five particuarly against a bigger opposition.</p> -
<p>Believe it or not but I have just had a visit from the tennant in the flat upstairs checking to see if I am alright. Said they were concerned at my wellbeing (they had been watching the match as well) and when an ambulance went past they did the good neighbourly thing and came to check, just in case!!!!! Effing Ta$man supporters.........................</p>
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<p>Just got home from the match.</p>
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<p>It was obvious from a long way we weren't going to win.</p>
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<p>Putting subs on in the 70th and 74th minutes seemed an absolute waste of time when you're 20-41 down with ten minutes to go. </p>
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<p>Tackling again was an issue - but was very noticeable when the teams were doing their warmups that CM were physically a lot bigger (taller and wider). </p>
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<p>I don't see the point in persisting with Selesele and Fruean now. They wil be gone after this year regardless.</p>
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<p>Even as we head now towards the Championship, I say give these guys like Mikaele Tu'u (he is a big boy for 18 years) a go for the rest of the year. They will be around next year and the experience this year will be good for next year.</p>
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<p><strong>Stargazer mentioned the captaincy. There was an injury break where Dixon was talking to the referee for a whole minute. Even as the teams were coming off the field at halftime Dixon and the referee were the last off the field with Dixon having whatever conversation he had with him. Dixon didnt appear to be reluctant and reticent to say something.</strong></p>
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<p>Dont understand the slim young Tiaan Falcon coming on as a replacement for the bigger Ropiha at second five particuarly against a bigger opposition.</p>
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<p>I meant talking to the team, not the referee. I think he has been doing that very well.</p>
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<p>It's funny. Last year, over and over again, people on FB (in comments on the Magpies page) were complaining about there being too many players from other regions and our local, young boys not getting a chance. This year, they mostly replaced injured players - and players who've left - with local, young players. And we're losing big time. </p>
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<p>Last year, we were in the Championship & playing more of the weaker teams, but we beat Taranaki, Wellington and Counties. Now, we're in the Premiership and we lost to these teams.</p>
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<p>Can't say I've answers. It's clear we have lost too many players of last year's team and somehow this team doesn't seem to gel. At least on the field. Who was the glue in the team and isn't there anymore? Was it O'Connor as a captain? Horrell?</p>
<p>Not sure how to fix that. Someone needs to step up. That should be the captain, but not just him. Who in the backline? Ihaia?</p>
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<p>If we somehow survive Auckland and don't lose by more than 50 points, then we will still be butchered by Canterbury. Hopefully that won't go into 3 digits. Shit. I need drink.</p> -
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<p>Believe it or not but I have just had a visit from the tennant in the flat upstairs checking to see if I am alright. Said they were concerned at my wellbeing (they had been watching the match as well) and when an ambulance went past they did the good neighbourly thing and came to check, just in case!!!!! Effing Ta$man supporters.........................</p>
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<p>Ah, you have good neighbours. Mine would just laugh. Wellington supporters.</p>
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<p>My partner just said that if I don't calm down she'll slip something in my drink. Don't worry, just a tranquilliser. ...... I hope. </p> -
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<p>I don't see the point in persisting with Selesele and Fruean now. They wil be gone after this year regardless.</p>
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<p>Even as we head now towards the Championship, I say give these guys like Mikaele Tu'u (he is a big boy for 18 years) a go for the rest of the year. They will be around next year and the experience this year will be good for next year.</p>
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<p>It was certainly a mystery why we had to go overseas to sign a loose forward, and a sevens player too boot. He doesn't appear to have a lot to offer from the little I have seen of him, height included. You would have thought there would have been a suitable player somewhere in NZ that would do a reasonable job.. Perhaps there are but they might not want to have anything to do with a team being coached by by this lot.</p>
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<p>I am in two minds about giving our youngsters a go at this stage. Sure the experience they gain might be good for them in the long term but that has to be weighed against being part of a team that is getting soundly demolished. Knock a kids confidence and it could take a long time for them to recover and we don't want that to happen.</p> -
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<p>I meant talking to the team, not the referee. I think he has been doing that very well.</p>
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<p>It's funny. Last year, over and over again, people on FB (in comments on the Magpies page) were complaining about there being too many players from other regions and our local, young boys not getting a chance. This year, they mostly replaced injured players - and players who've left - with local, young players. And we're losing big time. </p>
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<p>Last year, we were in the Championship & playing more of the weaker teams, but we beat Taranaki, Wellington and Counties. Now, we're in the Premiership and we lost to these teams.</p>
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<p>Can't say I've answers. It's clear we have lost too many players of last year's team and somehow this team doesn't seem to gel. At least on the field. Who was the glue in the team and isn't there anymore? Was it O'Connor as a captain? Horrell?</p>
<p>Not sure how to fix that. Someone needs to step up. That should be the captain, but not just him. Who in the backline? Ihaia?</p>
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<p>If we somehow survive Auckland and don't lose by more than 50 points, then we will still be butchered by Canterbury. Hopefully that won't go into 3 digits. Shit. I need drink.</p>
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<p>I'm all for local players, but there's something just not right about the team at the moment. Having the injured players back would make a huge difference but I wonder why Buckman would bugger off to Japan just as he's secured a Super spot and could have been in line for an AB spot. Why would a proud Magpie bugger off at this stage?</p>
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<p>At any rate, our young locals aren't really the issue, Riccitelli, Lowe and Emerson have been travelling ok. And it's never been about only locals, but the practice of bringing in average imports from other area's club competitions - bringing in a few decent 1st class players is fine. I assume we're doing it tight moneywise at the moment and that's why we've only had the cash to bring in Filipo and May.</p>
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<p>In fact it's really hard to put a finger on what is going wrong. We're not accurate, we can't build phases - we've finally got a decent half to go with our 10 but they're getting served up cabbage. </p>
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<p>The only good thing about tonights game was that TBW got a good 70 odd minutes gametime.</p> -
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<p>I'm all for local players, but there's something just not right about the team at the moment. <strong>Having the injured players back would make a huge difference but I wonder why Buckman would bugger off to Japan just as he's secured a Super spot and could have been in line for an AB spot. Why would a proud Magpie bugger off at this stage?</strong></p>
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<p>At any rate, our young locals aren't really the issue, Riccitelli, Lowe and Emerson have been travelling ok. And it's never been about only locals, but the practice of bringing in average imports from other area's club competitions - bringing in a few decent 1st class players is fine. I assume we're doing it tight moneywise at the moment and that's why we've only had the cash to bring in Filipo and May.</p>
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<p>In fact it's really hard to put a finger on what is going wrong. We're not accurate, we can't build phases - we've finally got a decent half to go with our 10 but they're getting served up cabbage. </p>
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<p>The only good thing about tonights game was that TBW got a good 70 odd minutes gametime.</p>
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<p>I've been wondering about that, too. I'm not going to speculate on a public forum, but I can think of a management decision that may have played a role ... (just guessing).</p>
<p>And is it coincidence that Grant Dearns has left as well?</p>
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<p>Probably unrelated, but isn't there a new team manager, too?</p>
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<p>Last year, they had a team camp in Taupo with all sorts of team bonding activities. Did they do something like that this year?</p>
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<p>By the way, did you read this? I so hoped he'd bugger off early ...</p>
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<p><span style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif;"><span style="font-size:12pt;"><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/83766432/hawkes-bay-coach-craig-philpott-not-interested-in-crusaders-assistants-role'>Hawke's Bay coach Craig Philpott not interested in Crusaders' assistant's role</a></span></span></p>
