RSA vs NZ, 1st Test, Durban

Chris B.

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Bye bye Gutpill in tests...
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Sunil Gaviscon?

gollum

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Solid partnership between Nicholls and Watling, they'll be aiming to get that 20 up then it's game on from there. Bracewell or Southee to top score......
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Wagner would be worth a tenner to top score given he will unquestionably try put Steyn in the stands & Steyn will bounce him letting him top edge a couple of 6's.
 
Southees "technique" v quicks - ie back away till you are leaning on the hordings & have a swing, won't last long v these guys if they just aim at the stumps.
 
Wagner will get longer as Steyn will be trying to hit him for 5 balls before just yorking him

hydro11

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Sorry I was really talking about Raval.. who I think is better than Nicholls.. 
Popli has only one good season, but it shits on anything Nicholls has done..
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Guptill has to be dropped though so then you have to bring in someone else to open.

MN5

26 beaten !!! What milestone is next ???? GAME ON MUTHA FUCKAS !!!!

Chris B.

To be honest, it won't surprise me at all if Guppy doesn't get dropped. They persisted for longer with less return from Hamish Rutherford.
 
I'm inclined to think Hesson runs a supportive regime for his batsmen in that he will back you and give you lots of chances - but, he's also got a streak of Neil Young in him in that - once you're gone, you can't come back - at least not for quite a while.
 
I think he's a lot more patient and consistent than us fans - I like it a lot better than the chop and change "pull a rabbit out of a hat" policies we've seen in the past - which certainly saw many rabbits pulled from the hat, but very little magic.

Siam

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No, he takes 50 wickets a year, every year, 5 consecutive years & he is one of Warks best... you needed to read down further before spit-posting.
 
 
 
He got sounded out a few times, but it was one off test series & it'd have screwed his county contract so I get why he didn't agree. Equally the only way it would have worked is if he'd been handed a decent contract but why would you contract a 34 year old spinner in NZ on big money? So I get why they didn't go overboard.
 
I'd argue (as Simon Doull did yesterday in the test, and as Patel notes when asked) that they need to focus on Ish. Jeets is an example of why its stupid to write off a good - but underperforming spinner WAY before he hits peak years for a spinner (the 30's), hopefully Ish will get a LOT of scope to develop.
 
Jeetan is an odd one in that he's a kiwi who has been a huge success, really - utterly adored in county cricket, the likes of Vaughan, Swann, Boycott etc all rate him as the best spinner in England, 5 consecutive 50 wicket years in England is staggeringly rare - especially for a spinner, and the NZ reaction to a Kiwi doing well (in this case) is "he can fuck off!!!" 
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You make a decent point that he's done bloody well in England
 
Not sure anyone in NZ cricket has told him to fuck off and they've asked him and he's been eligible but he's not been in the team. Never wise to turn down your country, and if the money's not good enough, well that falls on him too
 
Could say more about county cricket than Patel. That shouldn't belittle his achievements - fair dues on those, but there was a while he played summers here and didn't scream "pick me".
 
 
 
Could be it's a bit closer to a Jesse situation than a hard done by late developer

Canerbry

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MN5

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You make a decent point that he's done bloody well in England
 
Not sure anyone in NZ cricket has told him to fuck off and they've asked him and he's been eligible but he's not been in the team. Never wise to turn down your country, and if the money's not good enough, well that falls on him too
 
Could say more about county cricket than Patel. That shouldn't belittle his achievements - fair dues on those, but there was a while he played summers here and didn't scream "pick me".
 
 
 
Could be it's a bit closer to a Jesse situation than a hard done by late developer
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Naaaaa he's the guy that should be kicking ass at number five in our test team ( sobs )

gollum

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I meant more the additude on here. Posters crank themselves into a fenzy over a basketballer doing well in the states or Dixon going round & round the fucking track, but any mention of how well Jeets is doing - and it really is standout, is met by howls of derision like he fucked the entire Ferns mums last time he was in town...
 
People spent 3 years talking about how we get Jesse back at the time when his batting was heading south so fast he can't make a very average division 2 Essex team anymore, yet no one can deal with a spinner getting better by playing week in week out & turning 30. I get no one here watches county cricket, but its a hell of a long way up from NZ domestic & its got a pretty good record recently as a production line, there's probably 10 batsmen who can't get into England who would walk into NZ right now alongside Kane & Ross.

gollum

Nichols, who most want dropped for Guppy, now has more runs in this test than the rest of the top 5 together
 
Nicols - 108*
Guppy, Latham, Kane, Ross - 95

rotated

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I meant more the additude on here. Posters crank themselves into a fenzy over a basketballer doing well in the states or Dixon going round & round the fucking track, but any mention of how well Jeets is doing - and it really is standout, is met by howls of derision like he fucked the entire Ferns mums last time he was in town...
 
People spent 3 years talking about how we get Jesse back at the time when his batting was heading south so fast he can't make a very average division 2 Essex team anymore, yet no one can deal with a spinner getting better by playing week in week out & turning 30. I get no one here watches county cricket, but its a hell of a long way up from NZ domestic & its got a pretty good record recently as a production line, there's probably 10 batsmen who can't get into England who would walk into NZ right now alongside Kane & Ross.
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The same thing happened with Andre Adams when he was the best bowler in county cricket for 3-4 years for Notts while we trundled Brent Arnel out for the national team.

TeWaio

To bat >50 overs and get to 195 is better than I thought we'd do, esp after Kane and Ross gone for nothing. The pitch sounded like it was doing plenty, really a 200-run thrashing happened due to us not bowling well enough on days 1 and 2: 

<div style="margin:5px 0px;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:tahoma, arial, sans-serif;">South Africa 481/8d & 132/7d</div>
<div style="margin:5px 0px;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:tahoma, arial, sans-serif;">New Zealand 214 & 195 (58.2 ov)</div>

gollum

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To bat >50 overs and get to 195 is better than I thought we'd do, esp after Kane and Ross gone for nothing. The pitch sounded like it was doing plenty, really a 200-run thrashing happened due to us not bowling well enough on days 1 and 2: 

<div style="margin:5px 0px;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:tahoma, arial, sans-serif;">South Africa 481/8d & 132/7d</div>
<div style="margin:5px 0px;font-size:16px;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:tahoma, arial, sans-serif;">New Zealand 214 & 195 (58.2 ov)</div>
 
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Yeah, the outliers in those innings weren't the 3 shitty scores, it was the 481. They never should have got within a mile of that on that pitch.
 
Plus sides - Wagner's "I'm just bowling nothing but bouncers till you get out caught" ploy actually works. Boult had some very good spells, Nicols played well against some great bowling today on a very tricky pitch & should hold his place, Kane is still superb.
 
Downsides - everything else, We badly need a new opener & have to axe Bracewell for a batting all rounder or an actual batsman at 6, given the shithouseness of our tail and middle order. And openers. Corey Anderson wouldn't have won us that, but he'd have scored more than Bracewell & taken the same no. of wickets. While Ravel at 6 would have scored more than Santner & been as much use as a bowler
 
I wouldn't be against them taking another look at Rutherford (I assume they will) so long as they put Raval in at 6 for when Rutherford fails & Anderson is finally fit.

MN5

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I meant more the additude on here. Posters crank themselves into a fenzy over a basketballer doing well in the states or Dixon going round & round the fucking track, but any mention of how well Jeets is doing - and it really is standout, is met by howls of derision like he fucked the entire Ferns mums last time he was in town...
 
People spent 3 years talking about how we get Jesse back at the time when his batting was heading south so fast he can't make a very average division 2 Essex team anymore, yet no one can deal with a spinner getting better by playing week in week out & turning 30. I get no one here watches county cricket, but its a hell of a long way up from NZ domestic & its got a pretty good record recently as a production line, there's probably 10 batsmen who can't get into England who would walk into NZ right now alongside Kane & Ross.
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Umm really ? NZ can genuinely say that about Rugby players who can't make the All Blacks but I don't think this statement is true at all. Throw some names at me.
 
Patels attitude when batting a few years ago, and his lack of results left a pretty bitter taste to many on here as I recall. I'm sure he has improved heaps but the bar was pretty low.
 
Is this competition in which he takes 50 wickets the same one in which Hadlee took 100 ( not to mention 1000 runs ) in a season a few times ?

No Quarter

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Umm really ? NZ can genuinely say that about Rugby players who can't make the All Blacks but I don't think this statement is true at all. Throw some names at me.
 
Patels attitude when batting a few years ago, and his lack of results left a pretty bitter taste to many on here as I recall. I'm sure he has improved heaps but the bar was pretty low.
 
Is this competition in which he takes 50 wickets the same one in which Hadlee took 100 ( not to mention 1000 runs ) in a season a few times ?
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It's interesting how much shit he got over that when Southee gets a free pass batting like that every single innings he's played.

Donsteppa

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... Are you new here?

No Quarter

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... Are you new here?
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Haha, Southee gets shit for throwing his wicket away when he has a set batsmen at the other end. Jeets got a heap of shit for "being a pussy".
 
When in reality Southee throws his wicket away because he's a pussy.
 
I don't recall anyone saying Southee should never play for the BCs again if he won't put his body on the line for the cause.

MN5

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Haha, Southee gets shit for throwing his wicket away when he has a set batsmen at the other end. Jeets got a heap of shit for "being a pussy".
 
When in reality Southee throws his wicket away because he's a pussy.
 
I don't recall anyone saying Southee should never play for the BCs again if he won't put his body on the line for the cause.
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Dude, Southee swings "bravely".....get it right, I thought you knew your cricket ?

hydro11

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To be honest, it won't surprise me at all if Guppy doesn't get dropped. They persisted for longer with less return from Hamish Rutherford.
 
I'm inclined to think Hesson runs a supportive regime for his batsmen in that he will back you and give you lots of chances - but, he's also got a streak of Neil Young in him in that - once you're gone, you can't come back - at least not for quite a while.
 
I think he's a lot more patient and consistent than us fans - I like it a lot better than the chop and change "pull a rabbit out of a hat" policies we've seen in the past - which certainly saw many rabbits pulled from the hat, but very little magic.
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Maybe Guptill won't be dropped. However, <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=2;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=140;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=batting_average;orderbyad=reverse;qualmin2=1000;qualval2=runs;template=results;type=batting'>Guptill is one of the worst openers ever to have played so many games</a>. Even those stats are inflated by decent performances against Sri Lanka and the West Indies. Persevering with Tim McIntosh was a better idea because at least he sucked up a few balls.
 
Tim Southee averages 18 with the bat against England, India, South Africa, Pakistan and Australia. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=140;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;orderby=batting_average;orderbyad=reverse;qualmin2=500;qualval2=runs;spanmin1=1+Jan+2000;spanval1=span;team=5;template=results;type=batting'>Martin Guptill averages only 21.</a>

No Quarter

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Maybe Guptill won't be dropped. However, <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=2;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=140;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=4;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;opposition=8;orderby=batting_average;orderbyad=reverse;qualmin2=1000;qualval2=runs;template=results;type=batting'>Guptill is one of the worst openers ever to have played so many games</a>. Even those stats are inflated by decent performances against Sri Lanka and the West Indies. Persevering with Tim McIntosh was a better idea because at least he sucked up a few balls.
 
Tim Southee averages 18 with the bat against England, India, South Africa, Pakistan and Australia. <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;opposition=1;opposition=140;opposition=2;opposition=3;opposition=5;opposition=6;opposition=7;orderby=batting_average;orderbyad=reverse;qualmin2=500;qualval2=runs;spanmin1=1+Jan+2000;spanval1=span;team=5;template=results;type=batting'>Martin Guptill averages only 21.</a> 
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Fuck that is pretty damning.
 
Good to see Horne on the list there. For some reason I used to rate him, fucked if I know why. Those were some dark days for BC fans when he was opening.

The Silver Fern

RSA vs NZ, 1st Test, Durban