NZ U20 v Ireland U20
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@Dan54 said in NZ U20 v Ireland U20:
@SouthernMann makes sense mate, as a Highlander's man you must be pretty pleased with the young ones you got coming through.
We are certainly going in the right direction. Just due to population size and demographic, we are never going to develop the sheer numbers of quality players that the Blues, Chiefs or Hurricanes. We only need to bring through a few a year. Then there will always be a few lads from elsewhere in the country who see the Landers as a less congested path to professional rugby than their home franchise. Josh Tengblad is a young one who springs to mind. Well over 2M tall, from the Blues region, NZ Schools last year. Just needs some beef.
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Having just watched the replay, I think this has been an above average year for the U20s (just one loss). As others have said, it is a step in the right direction and hopefully the new coach builds on this. The 9 and 10 will be back next year as well as a few others like M Bason and Vaenuku. Simpson had some bad moments in the France game but was a step above Grant. The subs made a big difference.
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@cgrant said in NZ U20 v Ireland U20:
Will Martin is a very good LH prop : strong at scrum time and powerful in his carries.
Martin plays both sides (reserve TH in this game) so yet to be decided if he specialises.
As to other players we did miss not having Wrampling to provide more go-forward. Lee is more suited to 7.
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@Kiwidom said in NZ U20 v Ireland U20:
Jeremiah Collins been giving a bit of go forward since he's come on and scores a great try with his power
he's a highlights machine.
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Bason is powerful and looks a prospect as well.
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@sparky Charlie Morgan at the Telegraph wrote a good piece on this for the victorious English u20 side, and he rightly points out the importance of the different teams' depth charts as a factor in this sort of discussion.
As there's no loan system in the NZ system, the factor becomes even more crucial.
England U20: Where the world champions will be playing next season
After squeezing France to land a first world title since 2016, class of 2024 face the tricky transition to senior rugby
Andrew Smith, for example, is one of the players in this NZ u20 side you would deem most ready for Super Rugby. He's very physical, strong in the line-out, more than capable as an edge forward, and possesses a big engine. But there a lot of very decent 6/8 options at the Chiefs: Finau, Jacobson, Parker, Boshier and Wrampling-Alec. It'll be difficult for him to immediately surpass these players. But I think he might be a player like Sititi who might have to wait a little bit for an opportunity, but once given a chance can establish himself very quickly.
I also think system suitability is an important factor in a player's progression. The performance of Vernon Bason in both the Rugby Championship as well as the World Cup is a good example of this, I'd say. Bason is a very talented player. He's built like a tank, carries very well and while I can't say this with complete certainty, I think the NZ u20s decent performance in the scrum had a lot to do with him. But I think he struggled at times with the wide role that was asked of him, dropping a lot of ball both on the edge as well as in the middle, as recipient of tip-on passes close to the line. He'll be asked to fulfill a similar role in a Laidlaw-coached Hurricanes side I would assume, which might not be the best use of his particular skillset. (That said, he was phenomenal in this role against the Irish, so grain of salt, etc.)
While I'm certainly not advocating for his move to Cotter's Blues, it's easy to imagine how good someone like Bason would be in the Riccitelli-role. The simplicity of the pick and go would help resolve the issue with the hands, and he's exactly the kind of player you'd want when your pack wants to wrestle the opposition. Again, all of this just to say that different systems would have a strong impact on a player's pathway and development.
