Force v Crusaders
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@Chris said in Force v Crusaders:
Fucking clown show
Franks and moody starting should not be even in the squad.
Hohepa selected again he is just not up to it.
Penny needs to go Perrin can fuck off as well we can’t defend rolling mauls,don’t have a decent line out ,
Fuck up the kick off receives looking at you Perrin forwards coach you can’t fix fuck all.Razor must've done a fucking superb job of covering for the defeciencies of Perrin's abysmal forwards coaching last year.
I honestly think that given the substantial injury toll of 2023 and the losses of Jason Ryan & Andrew Goodman after 2022... Razor winning the title last year was his greatest achievement, by far.
Crusaders are now performing less than the sum of their parts after 3-4 seasons of Razor (in hindsight) massively overachieving considering all the average/limited players at his disposal.
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I think the Crusaders' arrogance has finally caught up with them. All that success meant some of the squad thought winning was a right not something you have to earn every step of the way. Without a few key individuals who drove standards in others, things have slipped and slipped badly.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Force v Crusaders:
Hard to put your finger on why the Crusaders are so shit this year. The obvious reasons are the coaching and the "stem" of the team not up to it but still, they are much less than the sum of their parts. Shite in the areas what used to be strengths.
I think it's amazing the difference a 135 test lock, 85 cap hooker, "best ever Super Rugby player" at five-eighth and clarity of coaching can make to a team.
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@antipodean said in Force v Crusaders:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Force v Crusaders:
Hard to put your finger on why the Crusaders are so shit this year. The obvious reasons are the coaching and the "stem" of the team not up to it but still, they are much less than the sum of their parts. Shite in the areas what used to be strengths.
I think it's amazing the difference a 135 test lock, 85 cap hooker, "best ever Super Rugby player" at five-eighth and clarity of coaching can make to a team.
*you forgot to add 135 test lock was out injured for much of last season and Razor's Crusaders still didn't miss a beat - going on to finish 2nd in the regular season and beating the Drua 49-3, Blues 53-12 in the Semi without 135 test lock, who only returned for the Grand Final the following week...
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@ruggabee said in Force v Crusaders:
*you forgot to add 135 test lock was out injured for much of last season and Razor's Crusaders still didn't miss a beat
Oh well, that totally destroys my point. Even if we pretend that his influence in driving standards wouldn't have continued.
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@antipodean it wouldn't matter, watching this Crusaders reminds of when Reuben Thorne coached Canterbury in the NPC - losing while playing ok is one thing but it's the team's structures and technical coaching which is clearly the underlying issue.
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@antipodean said in Force v Crusaders:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Force v Crusaders:
Hard to put your finger on why the Crusaders are so shit this year. The obvious reasons are the coaching and the "stem" of the team not up to it but still, they are much less than the sum of their parts. Shite in the areas what used to be strengths.
I think it's amazing the difference a 135 test lock, 85 cap hooker, "best ever Super Rugby player" at five-eighth and clarity of coaching can make to a team.
Not to mention a missing All Black who scores a try just about every test
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@Nevorian said in Force v Crusaders:
@antipodean said in Force v Crusaders:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Force v Crusaders:
Hard to put your finger on why the Crusaders are so shit this year. The obvious reasons are the coaching and the "stem" of the team not up to it but still, they are much less than the sum of their parts. Shite in the areas what used to be strengths.
I think it's amazing the difference a 135 test lock, 85 cap hooker, "best ever Super Rugby player" at five-eighth and clarity of coaching can make to a team.
Not to mention a missing All Black who scores a try just about every test
So take away your top 4 or so players and a team will drop from 1st (7 years running) to bottom? It would be an interesting theory to try out. ABs have lost only 'lesser' best players, so should be OK
18 Jordie Barrett
17 Ardie Savea
15 Mark Telea
13 Scott Barrett
13 Will Jordan
11 Damian McKenzie
11 Cam Roigard
10 Brodie Retallick
9 Aaron Smith
8 Richie Mo'unga
8 Shannon Frizell
8 Leicester Fainga'anuku
7 Rieko Iaone
6 Sam Cane
4 Sam Whitelock
2 Ethan de Groot
2 Codie Taylor
2 Samipeni Finau
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@Chris said in Force v Crusaders:
Fucking clown show
Franks and moody starting should not be even in the squad.
Hohepa selected again he is just not up to it.
Penny needs to go Perrin can fuck off as well we can’t defend rolling mauls,don’t have a decent line out ,
Fuck up the kick off receives looking at you Perrin forwards coach you can’t fix fuck all.Tell us how you really feel about them Chris.
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@Machpants what is this numbering system?
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@Windows97 Almost lost twice to them.
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@Machpants said in Force v Crusaders:
So take away your top 4 or so players and a team will drop from 1st (7 years running) to bottom?
that's a little disingenuous
From the Super final last year, their entire starting tight 5 is either gone or has missed most/all of the season. Their 10 is gone. Their midfield is gone. Their left wing is gone. Their fullback hasn't got on the park. 10 of their starting 15. Of which all had been or were current test players. That's the very definition of being gutted.
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From the Super final last year, their entire starting tight 5 is either gone or has missed most/all of the season. Their 10 is gone. Their midfield is gone. Their left wing is gone. Their fullback hasn't got on the park. 10 of their starting 15. Of which all had been or were current test players. That's the very definition of being gutted.
The Crusaders lost most of those players at various points last season - and more, they were literally trawling through the club rugby scene for options, a 43 year old John Afoa was starting for them at the end of the season. And apart from the Chiefs they were winning and doing so convincingly.
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@ruggabee said in Force v Crusaders:
From the Super final last year, their entire starting tight 5 is either gone or has missed most/all of the season. Their 10 is gone. Their midfield is gone. Their left wing is gone. Their fullback hasn't got on the park. 10 of their starting 15. Of which all had been or were current test players. That's the very definition of being gutted.
The Crusaders lost most of those players at various points last season - and more, they were literally trawling through the club rugby scene for options, a 43 year old John Afoa was starting for them at the end of the season. And apart from the Chiefs they were winning and doing so convincingly.
i have no idea what your point is, but i'll play your silly bloody game
Yes, they had a couple of games where they had back-up props, but most of their other guys were on deck. And they lost to the Hurricanes in in Rd 15 with what amounted to their finals team.
Those convincing underhanded wins were against the Waratahs and MP. Every other game in the last half they had a strong squad.
Are we trying to say the Crusaders didn't have good players? what are we doing here?
