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@Windows97 said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
And like I said, they don't care, nor should they care about the PR war...
They don't seem to care but they should. As this last 6 months has been a total disaster for Israel (and the West) on the PR front. I believe Israel got far too cocky. They thought the corrupt Western media and politicians could protect them. It hasn't worked. The reverse. It simply exposed the media and politicians for what they are. I think these groups are finally waking up to this. But it's too late.
And surely you realise how important image and PR are. Russia, China and Iran etc, seem to as they have sat back and watched the West shot themselves time and time again in the foot. All they need to do is to not react. As they have done so far.
Edit. Except for Iran sending slow drones (as a warning and to save face) and allowing Israel etc to shot them all down.
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@Windows97 said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
To suggest Hamas is winning is so objectionably laughable compared to the facts on the ground it's little more than gas lighting propaganda.
Countries want to be perceived as being on the side of good. Even when they clearly aren't. Totally lose the good guys (or victim) image and it's hard to recover from it. This is the position Israel and the West are now in.
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I'm sorry I'm just finding all this talk about Hamas "winning" the PR war to be somewhat devoid of reality.
I doubt the "PR war" is going to build back all their tunnels, rebild the infrastructure, replace all the soldiers lost or captured or miracilously bring anyone back to life...
What exact PR are they winning over? Almost all the Arab nations have deserted them. Egypt has welded their borders shut to Palestine - their only help has come from Iran to which Jordan and Saudi Arabia both joined in on the side of Israel to defend (an Arab nation defending Israel would have been unimaginable 10 years ago).
Hamas is losing support of the Arab states in the middle east and getting beaten up on the ground in Gaza. Sympathy from the West aint going to achieve anything at all.
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Add to that Iran's drone and missile strike has helped stem the loss of support for Israel's actions, highlighting again the continuous precariousness of its existence. Hardly a PR win there I would have thought.
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@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
Add to that Iran's drone and missile strike has helped stem the loss of support for Israel's actions,
Surely most see for this for what it was. Retaliation but no more than a face-saving exercise and aslo a warning
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@Windows97 said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
I doubt the "PR war" is going to build back all their tunnels, rebild the infrastructure, replace all the soldiers lost or captured or miracilously bring anyone back to life...
Depends if you just look at the short term or long term
Palestinians are currently living in an open-air prison. With few rights or remedies. They might be fighting for a decent future existence and are willing to suffer in the short term
To achieve this, they must win the PR battle
The report finds that since 1967, over 800,000 Palestinians, including children as young as 12, have been arrested and detained under authoritarian rules enacted, enforced and adjudicated by the Israeli military. Palestinians are subject to long detention for expressing opinions, gathering, pronouncing unauthorised political speeches, or even merely attempting to do so, and ultimately deprived of their status of protected civilians. They are often presumed guilty without evidence, arrested without warrants, detained without charge or trial and brutalised in Israeli custody.
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@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
Add to that Iran's drone and missile strike has helped stem the loss of support for Israel's actions,
Surely most see for this for what it was. Retaliation but no more than a face-saving exercise and aslo a warning
How do you save face or send a warning if it's so easily defeated?
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@Winger Palestine has their own land, their own country, their own rights and own government. They have recived more aid $$ than any other entitiy in the modern world.
Estimates are they have recived $40 billion from 1994 to 2020.
If it's an open air prison it's because Hamas has made it that way.
The only opression that Palestine suffers is that Isreal exists.
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@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
Add to that Iran's drone and missile strike has helped stem the loss of support for Israel's actions,
Surely most see for this for what it was. Retaliation but no more than a face-saving exercise and aslo a warning
How do you save face or send a warning if it's so easily defeated?
Faster, more advanced drones
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@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
Add to that Iran's drone and missile strike has helped stem the loss of support for Israel's actions,
Surely most see for this for what it was. Retaliation but no more than a face-saving exercise and aslo a warning
How do you save face or send a warning if it's so easily defeated?
Faster, more advanced drones
Well I grant you it's four dimensional chess to try to project power by looking incompetent and ineffective.
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@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
Add to that Iran's drone and missile strike has helped stem the loss of support for Israel's actions,
Surely most see for this for what it was. Retaliation but no more than a face-saving exercise and aslo a warning
How do you save face or send a warning if it's so easily defeated?
Faster, more advanced drones
Well I grant you it's four dimensional chess to try to project power by looking incompetent and ineffective.
It's a VG move by Iran. They have now won the PR battle.
And are they bluffing or not? Are these slow drones the best they have? Or not.
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Add in the cost factor.
The whole show had the budget of a mega blockbuster. For Israel – without even counting the price of US, UK, and Israeli jets – just the multi-layered interception system set it back at least $1.35 billion, according to an Israeli official. Iranian military sources tally the cost of their drone and missile salvos at only $35 million – 2.5 percent of Tel Aviv’s expenditure – made with full indigenous technology.
A new West Asian chessboard
It took only a few hours for Iran to finally metastasize strategic patience into serious deterrence, sending an extremely powerful and multi-layered message to its adversaries and masterfully changing the game across the whole West Asian chessboard.
Were the biblical psychopaths to engage in a real Hot War against Iran, there’s no chance in hell Tel Aviv can intercept hundreds of Iranian missiles – the state-of-the-art ones excluded from the current show – without an early warning mechanism spread over several days. Without the Pentagon’s umbrella of weaponry and funds, Israeli defense is unsustainable.
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@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
Add to that Iran's drone and missile strike has helped stem the loss of support for Israel's actions,
Surely most see for this for what it was. Retaliation but no more than a face-saving exercise and aslo a warning
How do you save face or send a warning if it's so easily defeated?
Faster, more advanced drones
Well I grant you it's four dimensional chess to try to project power by looking incompetent and ineffective.
It's a VG move by Iran. They have now won the PR battle.
According to whom?
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@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
Add to that Iran's drone and missile strike has helped stem the loss of support for Israel's actions,
Surely most see for this for what it was. Retaliation but no more than a face-saving exercise and aslo a warning
How do you save face or send a warning if it's so easily defeated?
Faster, more advanced drones
Well I grant you it's four dimensional chess to try to project power by looking incompetent and ineffective.
It's a VG move by Iran. They have now won the PR battle.
According to whom?
Winger Media Corporation
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@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
Add in the cost factor.
The whole show had the budget of a mega blockbuster. For Israel – without even counting the price of US, UK, and Israeli jets – just the multi-layered interception system set it back at least $1.35 billion, according to an Israeli official. Iranian military sources tally the cost of their drone and missile salvos at only $35 million – 2.5 percent of Tel Aviv’s expenditure – made with full indigenous technology.
A new West Asian chessboard
It took only a few hours for Iran to finally metastasize strategic patience into serious deterrence, sending an extremely powerful and multi-layered message to its adversaries and masterfully changing the game across the whole West Asian chessboard.
Were the biblical psychopaths to engage in a real Hot War against Iran
There's some batshit crazy takes on that website https://libya360.wordpress.com
Thanks for the amusement.
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@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@Winger said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
Add to that Iran's drone and missile strike has helped stem the loss of support for Israel's actions,
Surely most see for this for what it was. Retaliation but no more than a face-saving exercise and aslo a warning
How do you save face or send a warning if it's so easily defeated?
Faster, more advanced drones
Well I grant you it's four dimensional chess to try to project power by looking incompetent and ineffective.
It's made Iran look weak, its technology look poor, made Netanyahu look like a restrained statesman, united Arab countries to defend Israel (did I really write that?), taken the spotlight off Rafah - and given Israel an excuse for hitting Iran's nuclear facilities directly.
More importantly, I think, Iran can now no longer hide behind its proxies in trying to destroy Israel. If Netanyahu's smart (big if), he'll seize the opportunity, give some ground and work to get back to the peace deals and economic ties the likes of Saudi Arabia clearly want.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
made Netanyahu look like a restrained statesman,
Of course.
The Western media have a lot to answer for
But, is Piers hedging his bets. Here's one example. He seems to be willing to allow himself to come across as a bit stupid. But credit to him as he is allowing his guest to have their say