Aussie Pro Rugby
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@Smuts said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
You’d have thought the Tahs would’ve planned on some mediocre seasons while DC adapted to the step up & they fixed their obvious organizational/talent ID & development issues.
You give them waaaaay too much credit.
Some of the back office want the game to improve. Some of them are even working toward that.
However there are a bunch of people who just assume a lack of success is down to the right coach and the rest of it doesn't matter.
And, after Cheika won a decade ago with much the same shitty system, who can blame them for thinking that way? They're lazy, bloated minds, fat on imagined glory; they think that their school/club/etc is fine so why can't NSW just "be like that?"
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This could go in the Aus Community Rugby thread as well, but:
As we transition into the new central model, there won't even be anything meaningful in terms of change at NSW, I predict. What they've not looked ahead to is the changes required to the financial model.
Without what little TV money they had, who funds community rugby? Because it can barely fund itself.
My club is looking at around the following per team we field as line items:
$2000 - New playing kit (jerseys, shorts, socks assumes 25 players)
$ 550 - Regisration fee with Suburban Rugby
$1000 - Rugby Australia "Participation Fee" paid to NSW Rugby
$2700 - Insurance
$1400 - physio
$ 900 - consumables
$1000 - post-match costs
$1250 - live streaming platform$10,800 - we try to get 2-year deals for jersey sponsors to limit that cost, but doesn't always happen.
If I was to fund that purely through player payments (ha!) it would be over $400 per player. We charge $150, so have to find the other ~$300 per player ($7k) through a combination of grants, sponsors, and public generosity.
How sustainable is that? We don't have rich benefactors who throw a pile of cash at us, no questions asked. It is local businesses who are also feeling the cost-of-living pinch.
Private schools who play rugby will continue to get squillions in government grants to build hyperbaric chambers for their athletes to recover in.
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@mikedogz said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
If I was to fund that purely through player payments (ha!) it would be over $400 per player. We charge $150
Reading and chatting on a Facebook post about NZ club rugby and a guy from Melbourne pays fees of $450!
Yep - imagine how hard it is to find sponsors in AFL land?
But then, I know people who are paying $500 for kids soccer, so...
A lot of Kiwi guys who come over here look offended at the mere thought of paying to play amateur footy.
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@NTA said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
$2000 - New playing kit (jerseys, shorts, socks assumes 25 players)
the club pays for socks and shorts? our player have to buy them, this allows for the guys that have played before and dont need yet another pair of shorts or socks
who does your jerseys? 25 jerseys was about $1500 for us last year, that was BLK and we've just gone to some small company id never heard of (S-Trend) so hoping even cheaper
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@mikedogz said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
If I was to fund that purely through player payments (ha!) it would be over $400 per player. We charge $150
Reading and chatting on a Facebook post about NZ club rugby and a guy from Melbourne pays fees of $450!
ours in melbourne were about $400 but that included shorts, socks, training tshirt or polo. but then we had guys that had played for years and already had that stuff so we cut it out, let people buy what they needed and brought the fees down to $300 and i think its $275 earlybird
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
the club pays for socks and shorts? our player have to buy them, this allows for the guys that have played before and dont need yet another pair of shorts or socks
We charge $150 for rego and assume a guy will need a pair of shorts and socks in that. Doesn't always happen but then you have some guys who need replacements a couple of times a year.
It evens out.
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@NTA thats so cheap, i dont think we cover basic costs at $150 let alone gear
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@NTA thats so cheap, i dont think we cover basic costs at $150 let alone gear
And our collection rate still isn't that great.
Guys know that you've committed to 2 teams, and (surprisingly) they can count. When they see 20 guys at training, they know they can get away with murder. Probably time to start forfeiting games if that's the case.
Like I said: this isn't a cost-covering exercise. We get about $15k in pub raffles during an average year but only a few thousand in sponsors. Maybe another $5k in grants if I get them in on time. We break even most years, but just before COVID a couple of us on the Committee were slush funding the club for a few weeks.
Those aren't all our costs BTW.
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23-year-old Wallabies prop Angus Bell suffered his third foot injury in as many years last weekend against the Brumbies.
Although an exact timeframe regarding his return remains unclear, Waratahs sources say he will miss the rest of the Super Rugby season and is unlikely to be back in time for the Wallabies’ season opener against Wales on July 6.The latest setback comes a year after Bell had a bone removed from his toe to resolve the issues.
Bell told his Waratahs teammates and coaches that he heard a “pop” in Canberra on Saturday night during his side’s 40-16 loss.
Former Wallaby Stephen Hoiles on Monday said on Between Two Posts that it would have to be considered whether he’s best served switching to the back-row to alleviate some of the pressure going through his toe.“I heard a bit of talk that they’ve got to go and look at how they fix this toe long term,” said Hoiles
"He puts a lot of pressure on the injury that he’s got when he’s scrummaging, so is there a thought process that he might not be able to continue to play prop?"
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Well, if you thought Ozzie SR teams struggled for depth, is about to get far worse. Why play in Oz, when you can't earn a shed load more overseas, possibly for a good or winning team, and still get picked for the wallabies
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Why the Rebels will not go gently into that good night
The Melbourne Rebels are responding emphatically to another Australian rugby crisis as they face an uncertain future.
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have to say...was surprised the crowd at aami on the weekend was more vocal than i would have thought for the size, its another example of i think they could have made things look much better if they hadn't opened the whole stadium, would have made one side look quite full i think
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@Kiwiwomble AAMI Park has excellent acoustics. A small crowd can make a lot of noise
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@KiwiMurph said in Aussie Pro Rugby:
@Kiwiwomble AAMI Park has excellent acoustics. A small crowd can make a lot of noise
Have also noticed the new SFS generates a bit of noise with the small crowd.
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Four years after getting a taste of international coaching, Geoff Parling will return as the Wallabies’ new lineout coach.
The Roar can reveal the Rebels assistant, who coached alongside Dave Rennie in six Tests during the 2020 campaign, is set to be unveiled as Joe Schmidt’s latest recruit to his coaching team in the coming days.
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‘No-brainer’: Rugby Australia wants Bledisloe Cup clash on Anzac Day
RA chairman Daniel Herbert believes a Wallabies-All Blacks game on Anzac Day would be a lucrative “flagship” event for the cash-strapped code.
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Hmm
Herbert said Rugby Australia was concerned about New Zealand and South Africa formulating a plan for old-fashioned tours in 2026 and 2031, which would lead to an eight- or nine-game tour being played during the Rugby Championship window.
It would mean a truncated Rugby Championship for the Wallabies and Argentina, which would mean a reduction in the much-relied upon Test revenue. Herbert said Australia would be looking for compensation if it was to approve.
Do SANZAAR decisions need to be unanimous?
