Aussie Community Rugby
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@Kiwiwomble yeah but it isn't full noise. Training accidents or internal trials are the fucking worst
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@NTA tell me about it, remember a trial game is where i ruptured three ligaments in my knee and ended the great comeback ....an epic 15 mins though, one of the coaches still mentions i should have got a penalty before the dude cleared me out
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First trial for us yesterday (and only trial, at this stage).
New tackle height ELV in place - LOT of penalties early but as the day wore on the players were adjusting.
The team that held the ball scored the most, because every few phases there would be a penalty for high tackle. A lot of tap n go. Some kicking for lineout.
There was a lot of muttering about the game being ruined but there's some brain rewiring that needs to happen in the players - fighting their instinct to go high and effect hot contact or choke tackles - and the people on the sideline who will end up with a product that will probably have some growing pains but ultimately be better.
First few weeks of competition will be interesting.
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....our women won the 10's comp...two means teams didnt win a game....the majority of our first grade were in albury...but a bit of awake up call
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preseason game against the private school old boys club (Melbourne Unicorns), we had 3 squads with only a few playing in more than one team so probably 60 guys....they rocked up with 30 guys and had to call 2 of the 3 games early
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Saturday no trials organised so went to look at a couple of clubs in our Division.
Spectated the first game, did the Board Member thing in terms of making sure everyone was good to go.
Planned to spectate the second game, but the ref didn't show. Drove home (10 minutes), grabbed my gear, and ended up doing about 65 minutes before calling the game off when a fight broke out. Couldn't be arsed giving out red cards.
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@NTA Although the referee is the sole judge of time and fact don't games over there that are blown up because of reasons you described have to go through a referee's report and a Rugby Union Judicial hearing? I know I had to attend two in my role as a Club Captain in Wellington because of that.
Probably a case of six of one and half a dozen of the other as red cards would also mean you have to complete a report and attend the judicial heading of the players involved. At least in your situation you could use the game was late starting and I had decided the correct number of minutes had elapsed so the game was not officially "called off" but simply the alloted time had expired! -
@Higgins said in Aussie Community Rugby:
@NTA Although the referee is the sole judge of time and fact don't games over there that are blown up because of reasons you described have to go through a referee's report and a Rugby Union Judicial hearing? I know I had to attend two in my role as a Club Captain in Wellington because of that.
In the event I presented a red card, I'd have to fill out an online report describing what happened. TBF I didn't see any punches thrown even if there were some. Lot of jersey pulling.
I would not have to attend the Judiciary unless it was exceptional circumstances.
Plus it was a trial game, honouring a guy who was a Life Member at both clubs, so limiting the damage was probably the best way out. Fuck the paperwork.
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Woke up just after 3AM. Stared at the ceiling, wondering how the club was going to meet financial commitments this year.
Sponsors have been tardy about getting money to us. Agreements have been in place for a few months, and we've ordered playing kit with logos and everything. Yet to see any money.
I got a quote on some ground signage to mount to our seating - just over $2k. Figured I could sell 4 spots for $2k each and turn a profit. Even 2 spots and we're ahead. Only got one so we're running at a loss. That bill has to be paid as well as the first round of kit, so we're in the red zone.
Trying to get players to pay is like pulling teeth - out of 40ish registered I've got 4 paid to date. We're only asking $150.
This weekend is meant to be our last trial round but there is a shitload of rain forecast, so we'll be lucky to get on. Players don't respond to the TeamList platform emails we send out, so I'm spending money on SMS trying to get more.
Round 1 on the 13/04 is scheduled for a home game but the oversowing of our ground means we might have to move all our shit a couple of fields over, which fucking sucks as it means no easy canteen or ameneties access, and hauling all our shit down there. Inconvenient to say the least.
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the struggle is real
our rego is double that, i get it guys dont always have the money...but theyre also the ones that ask why no one bought water bottle for them or if they get injured why the club isn't covering expenses
we have 161 registered across mens, womens, colts....but 66 of those are "training" only...which was supposed to be only for preseason and they should have fully registered when we went into contact
our last trial this weekend, 4 games....long day
hope it comes right for you @NTA
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Community Rugby:
our rego is double that, i get it guys dont always have the money...but theyre also the ones that ask why no one bought water bottle for them or if they get injured why the club isn't covering expenses
And the ones shoving money into the pokies or asking for free beers.
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@NTA said in Aussie Community Rugby:
(or if there's free beers, asking why it isn't bourbon)
i mainly get asked why i didn't go and get the free beers...whilst i was running around sorting everything else out, when i played back in the day we had a roster, everyone had a turn to get a slab
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That boils my piss.
Some of the Premier clubs here in Sydney are fucking drowning in players, but some are finding out the shitty end of the stick and having to drop Grades. Out of a possible 4 Grades + 3 x Colts U20:
Two Blues (Parramatta) are not fielding 4th Grade or Colts 3
Hunter Wildfires are only fielding 2 Grades + 2 Colts (which is an improvement on last year's 1 Colts)
Rumours are Northern Suburbs and Southern Districts are not able to regularly field 4th Grade, and might have issues seeing out their Colts commitments. -
we're looking good for numbers but its the first time in my time at the club we havent struggled so im jjst enjoying it at the moment, it wont last
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@NTA do you have different comps for clubs that can only field 1 or 2 teams?
in vic we have the Dewer shield, you have to field 3 teams to enter, if you can only field 2 teams then you enter the Premiership and if you can only field one team then you go into the championship
we have 4 mens teams this year so are in the Dewer shield and then our 4ths will play in the championship
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Yes, in short.
SRU = Sydney Rugby Union = Premier Rugby.
Twelve clubs of varying strengths fighting it out for 4 Grades, 3 Colts U20, and Womens. No restrictions on payments, so similar to Dewar Shield or John I Dent Cup in ACT. Men's comps listed here:
The issue I have with SRU clubs is warehousing players. About 5-6 of the 12 clubs have enough players for a 5th Senior XV and an extra 1-2 Colts U20 sides.
Like the English Premier Rugby, it is a closed shop. Nobody has been into or out of SRU in years, except for Hunter who were added to help address the issue with Penrith Rugby collapsing. No promotion or relegation - there is "live" or "die".
My club plays in Subbies aka NSWSRU = NSW Suburban Rugby Union
In theory we should have the following
Amateur competition rules mean it covers a bit more of the social side but still has some quality rugby.
Up to 6 Divisions at any one time with the goal of 8 clubs in each. However the competition hasn't fielded 6 full divisions for some time now.
- 1st Div = 5 Grades + Colts U21
- 2nd Div = 4 Grades + Colts U21
- 3rd Div = 3 Grades + Colts U21
- 4th Div = 3 Grades
- 5th Div = 2 Grades
- 6th Div = 1 Grade
Or approximately 168 teams taking the field each week, assuming 6 divisions x 8 clubs.
In practice we have
- 1st Div = 5 Grades + Colts U21
- 2nd Div = 3-4 Grades + Colts U21
- 3rd Div = 2 Grades + Colts U21
- 4th Div = 2 Grades
- 5th Div = 1 Grade - and 8-12 clubs as there aren't enough to run two divisions.
- 6th Div = not contested this year or last.
So between 120-130 teams in regular competition, but some larger clubs have extras (e.g. Mosman in First Division has a 6th Grade).
When our club first started in 2007, every division was 8-10 clubs, so you had between 48-60 total. Since then, roughly 20 clubs have died that I'm aware of - some of them started after us!
What we're seeing is the erosion of the smaller end of town as volunteers burn out (like me
) or a group of players who win a title decide to retire.Perhaps most surprising to onlooker: the "Old Boys" clubs aligned to schools are suffering just as much as anyone else. Having a connection to St Ignatius Riverview or Knox College or The Kings School has not saved those clubs from dramatic falls.
Some would blame the amateur rule that came in about 8 years ago, but TBH clubs were killing themselves so something had to change.
The Central Coast and Illawarra comps are being killed by money.
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amazing what just getting to watch some blokes playing rugby rather than dealing with all the shit behind the scenes can do
i had some mixed news last night. one of our big names from the 1s last year got concussed in our trial week before last, not his first and so he's decided to retire, or at least not play this year....came and saw me last night and basically said he needed to stay involved (need that excuse to be in the changing room after we win) and knew the 2's still needed a manager...welcome aboard!
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@Kiwiwomble good to hear.
Do you guys record results using Rugby Xplorer? I hear it's shit
https://nswpremresults.fusesport.com/competitions.asp?compID=1556370&id=1195
NSW Suburban Rugby Union