Electric Vehicles
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
@Kruse you sound like my kids at the dinner table when they were 8
Do not! I know you are, you said you are, but what am I?
If I do finally relocate to Canada - I'll seriously consider one of those Energicas as my "North-American bike".
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@nostrildamus said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Aussie Ferners: anyone looked into novated leasing for EVs? I hear it recently got more attractive.
Mrs TA keeps saying "we don't do enough km" but I don't think that's a factor any more?
try the calculator here https://www.leaseplan.com.au/tools-and-resources/calculator (and for testing, try button on right "I know the car I want" and see data down below on left) but yeah km doesn't seem much of a factor anymore unless you are doing considerable mileage. NB it only shows a few EV models.
Looking at a 5-year lease on a Volvo XC40 dual motor electric - comes out to $1783 / month or $412/week I guess.
Looks like they scrapped all the tax implications around min/max km on novated leases.
Another one of Mrs TA's arguments falls by the wayside
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Was in Adelaide for a quick break with the family, so as we weren't going out into the sticks, I decided to hire a BMW iX3.
Overall, yes it had the combination of electric driving ease with the luxury associated with a European brand and Ze Chermans do things alright. Loved the 360 degree look-down and the HUD.
However, there were things that shit me:
European indicator stalk on the left. I turned the fucking wipers on about 5 times on the first day. Good thing Adelaide has no traffic.
Tailgate didn't open fully. No idea why, but it stopped just at head height. Also some twat had programmed the remote to NOT open the tailgate. Again: why? I found out how to tell the remote to do something useful deep in one of the menus.
For a car worth about $80k AUD it had good passenger space and amenities but not really much cargo room.
It is a fat bastard - the passengers have plenty of space but it bows out another foot on each side. Shit to park in the modern Chinese-built apartment even with the fancy bings and bongs.
The seatbelts auto-tightened on takeoff. And it made a noise every time we went over a certain speed.
These aren't EV complaints, you'll note. If that's Euro luxury, hopefully there's a menu to turn it all off somewhere.
The only EV complaint I have: there is nowhere to see the percentage of battery left in the thing, only a fairly vague needle gauge. Only by going to a charger could I see where it was in real terms - charging was free at certain providers fast-charging stops so that was good.
Overall, for $80K I think it's a bit rich for me.
I am looking at the Kia EV5 for around $65k which seems to have everything I need (and no doubt a raft of annoying safety things that I don't want). Maybe even the EV3 (launching here in a few months) which will suit what I need and fit in the garage more easily.
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Tailgate didn't open fully. No idea why, but it stopped just at head height.
That is likely a setting. If you have low garage or something you can get it to stop before fully opening. Usually just push and hold the button or suchlike to reset. Mine did that until I sorted it out.
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
The only EV complaint I have: there is nowhere to see the percentage of battery left in the thing, only a fairly vague needle gauge. Only by going to a charger could I see where it was in real terms -
Has to be way to see that. Really shit if you can't. Lexus EV has both, needle and digital. Polestar just the digital percentage.
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
and no doubt a raft of annoying safety things that I don't want)
Yep. Managed to turn most of them off on my cars, or at least have the facility to do so.
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Invested to see what the split of Chinese made versus US made Teslas are involved
Just saw this. Polestar now building in both US and China too. Mine is a 2 and assembled in China, but the build quality seems to be as good as my Audi was. Polestar are still technically a Euro, so I guess the Swedes are on top of the production process. Be interesting to see what the US ones are like.
I still think "stripper" when I read Pole star...great car though. Seriously quick.
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Was in Adelaide for a quick break with the family, so as we weren't going out into the sticks, I decided to hire a BMW iX3.
Overall, yes it had the combination of electric driving ease with the luxury associated with a European brand and Ze Chermans do things alright. Loved the 360 degree look-down and the HUD.
However, there were things that shit me:
European indicator stalk on the left. I turned the fucking wipers on about 5 times on the first day. Good thing Adelaide has no traffic.
Tailgate didn't open fully. No idea why, but it stopped just at head height. Also some twat had programmed the remote to NOT open the tailgate. Again: why? I found out how to tell the remote to do something useful deep in one of the menus.
For a car worth about $80k AUD it had good passenger space and amenities but not really much cargo room.
It is a fat bastard - the passengers have plenty of space but it bows out another foot on each side. Shit to park in the modern Chinese-built apartment even with the fancy bings and bongs.
The seatbelts auto-tightened on takeoff. And it made a noise every time we went over a certain speed.
These aren't EV complaints, you'll note. If that's Euro luxury, hopefully there's a menu to turn it all off somewhere.
The only EV complaint I have: there is nowhere to see the percentage of battery left in the thing, only a fairly vague needle gauge. Only by going to a charger could I see where it was in real terms - charging was free at certain providers fast-charging stops so that was good.
Overall, for $80K I think it's a bit rich for me.
I am looking at the Kia EV5 for around $65k which seems to have everything I need (and no doubt a raft of annoying safety things that I don't want). Maybe even the EV3 (launching here in a few months) which will suit what I need and fit in the garage more easily.
Are we allowed to discuss hybrids in this thread? I was in Adelaide recently too, drove a Toyota Hybrid for 5 days including the Barossa Valley and Adelaide Hills and filled up just before returning the rental - $25. Felt like I'd won something not having to fill up a whole tank with expensive near the airport petrol.
I've driven a hybrid in NZ before but it wasn't as efficient at using the electric in comparison to this one, might be just advances in technology.
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@Nepia said in Electric Vehicles:
@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
Was in Adelaide for a quick break with the family, so as we weren't going out into the sticks, I decided to hire a BMW iX3.
Overall, yes it had the combination of electric driving ease with the luxury associated with a European brand and Ze Chermans do things alright. Loved the 360 degree look-down and the HUD.
However, there were things that shit me:
European indicator stalk on the left. I turned the fucking wipers on about 5 times on the first day. Good thing Adelaide has no traffic.
Tailgate didn't open fully. No idea why, but it stopped just at head height. Also some twat had programmed the remote to NOT open the tailgate. Again: why? I found out how to tell the remote to do something useful deep in one of the menus.
For a car worth about $80k AUD it had good passenger space and amenities but not really much cargo room.
It is a fat bastard - the passengers have plenty of space but it bows out another foot on each side. Shit to park in the modern Chinese-built apartment even with the fancy bings and bongs.
The seatbelts auto-tightened on takeoff. And it made a noise every time we went over a certain speed.
These aren't EV complaints, you'll note. If that's Euro luxury, hopefully there's a menu to turn it all off somewhere.
The only EV complaint I have: there is nowhere to see the percentage of battery left in the thing, only a fairly vague needle gauge. Only by going to a charger could I see where it was in real terms - charging was free at certain providers fast-charging stops so that was good.
Overall, for $80K I think it's a bit rich for me.
I am looking at the Kia EV5 for around $65k which seems to have everything I need (and no doubt a raft of annoying safety things that I don't want). Maybe even the EV3 (launching here in a few months) which will suit what I need and fit in the garage more easily.
Are we allowed to discuss hybrids in this thread? I was in Adelaide recently too, drove a Toyota Hybrid for 5 days including the Barossa Valley and Adelaide Hills and filled up just before returning the rental - $25. Felt like I'd won something not having to fill up a whole tank with expensive near the airport petrol.
I've driven a hybrid in NZ before but it wasn't as efficient at using the electric in comparison to this one, might be just advances in technology.
Toyota hybrids are mostly very efficient esp the small Yaris. Which one did you have?
My issue with hybrids is that they have the weight of an engine and battery and more things to go wrong and need to have maintained.
One of my issues with Teslas is cost of repair. With Chinese cars, after sales support and retained value.
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@Snowy said in Electric Vehicles:
olestar now building in both US and China too. Mine is a 2 and assembled in China, but the build quality seems to be as good as my Audi was.
I'm told a lot of Chinese made Tesla Model 3 are better than the US assembly.
It'll be interesting to see if they get to a point where their labour costs eventually cull their financial edge.
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@nostrildamus said in Electric Vehicles:
My issue with hybrids is that they have the weight of an engine and battery and more things to go wrong and need to have maintained.
Anecdotally, a friend hired a Rav4 Hybrid and it the electric drive train shit itself, rendering the car useless.
Standard hybrids like the Prius are great for fuel economy but you're dragging two lots of everything around, and both are gutless.
Similarly with Plug In Hybrids the first 40km are great, then you're switching back and forth.
There are some carbon-to-electric drive trains out there, where the wheels are driven completely by the electric motors using a smaller battery than an EV and the petrol engine is there purely to generate electrons.
Nissan's e4orce (stupid name) in the top end model of the latest X-Trail is one example.
The BYD Shark is another, and a very interesting example as it contains a ~30kWh battery fed by a 1.5L turbo petrol 4cyl engine.
These guys reckon it's a solid offering: https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/2025-byd-shark-6-off-road-4x4-review-147971/
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From the above link:
Verdict
The final highway cruise back into Adelaide is time for contemplation.This trip reinforced yet again what a stunning and brutal place the Australian outback is and how hard it is on the vehicles that venture into it.
And the BYD Shark 6 stood up to the challenge.
Yep, we had tyre issues and there are queries over fuel consumption but the core mechanical, technical and design package all passed the test comfortably, quietly and capably.
And most important, robustly!
I honestly expected at one stage or another we’d be stuck by the side of the road with something broken or software malfunctioning, especially as these high-tech dual-cab utes are pre-production vehicles.
Instead the Shark 6 emerges from this drive as a viable alternative to orthodox diesel dual cab utes. It’s a different experience for sure, but in important ways (like refinement), a better one.
It’s a shock that BYD can make its first ute so convincing. It’s a genuine dual-cab contender.
2024 BYD Shark 6 Premium at a glance:
Price: $57,900 (plus on-road costs)
Available: On-sale October 29, deliveries start late December 2024
Powertrain: 1.5-litre four-cylinder turbo-petrol
Output: 135kW/260Nm (front electric motor: 170kW/310Nm; rear electric motor: 150kW/340Nm)
Combined output: 321kW/650Nm
Transmission: Single speed reduction gear
Battery: 29.58kWh LFP lithium-ion
Range: 80km (estimated)
Energy consumption: 15kWh/100km (estimated)
Fuel: 2.0L/100km (battery SOC above 25%); 7.9L/100km (battery SOC below 25%) (estimate)
Fuel on test: 14L/100km
CO2: 46g/km (estimate)
Safety rating: Unrated -
TBH with Chinese battery supplier CATL claiming a 1000km range semi solid-state battery, the last few arguments for EV ownership are slowly getting whittled away.
The challenges now are in the charging network. Incidentally I saw Bunnings are now selling home EV chargers.
https://www.bunnings.com.au/dewalt-smart-ip65-22kw-32a-three-phase-ev-charger-with-5m-cable_p0663307
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@NTA said in Electric Vehicles:
These guys reckon it's a solid offering: https://www.carsales.com.au/editorial/details/2025-byd-shark-6-off-road-4x4-review-147971/
"Glad we’re carrying some jerry cans of fuel."
