The Current State of Rugby
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@Dan54 said in The Current State of Rugby:
Talking of laws and refs etc for the @DaGrubster , here's somone you will recognise in this article.
Gone from kicking your arse at college, (and my useless son), and coaching with me as well as other stuff, to New Zealand Rugby game development manager – referees. LolGood article. Credit where it's due Stuff and Aaron Goiles.
Did the test. Got 4 wrong I think (just in my head and flicking up and down back to the questions when "marking"). Can't remember which ones, but in saying that I also made a best guess on a couple, so it's not a true reflection of actual knowledge.
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But then there are also nuances e.g.
Q6. Players of the same team are repeatedly penalised for leaving their feet at the tackle. The referee issues a warning. At the next play, a maul forms and a player from this team collapses the maul. Is the referee correct to caution and temporarily suspend this player for repeated infringements?
A: Yes
B: NoIt depends on the nature of the warning.
If the warning is "you have too many players going off their feet at ruck time. Next one is in the bin"
is different fromt "you have too many penalties in this part of the field. Next one is in the bin"
is different from "you are conceding too many penalties in a row. Next one is in the bin" -
@NTA said in The Current State of Rugby:
But then there are also nuances e.g.
Q6. Players of the same team are repeatedly penalised for leaving their feet at the tackle. The referee issues a warning. At the next play, a maul forms and a player from this team collapses the maul. Is the referee correct to caution and temporarily suspend this player for repeated infringements?
A: Yes
B: NoIt depends on the nature of the warning.
If the warning is "you have too many players going off their feet at ruck time. Next one is in the bin"
is different fromt "you have too many penalties in this part of the field. Next one is in the bin"
is different from "you are conceding too many penalties in a row. Next one is in the bin"That's one I got "wrong". I'll take that one back
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Interesting article, we need more!
Explained: Why the smartest rugby teams kick so much
Kicking from the hand continues to divide opinion but data proves it's highly effective.
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Rugby in schools is a form of child abuse, say sports experts
Parents fail to understand the enormous risk of brain injury to their children, they warn
Seems like the best place to post this. Interesting article (too long to post in full) making the argument U18's shouldn't play rugby or other high-impact sports as they are too young to give consent to the possibility of brain damage. Thought-provoking. link here
Two centuries after the birth of rugby on school playing fields, academics say the game has become a form of child abuse and should be banned among under-18s.
William Webb Ellis is credited with first running with the football at Rugby School in 1823, eventually giving rise to a global sport. But researchers say children should no longer participate in rugby, or boxing, and that parents do not understand the long-term risk of brain injuries. Sports organisations, they claim, are effectively “grooming” adults to ignore the consequences. Schools that have rugby on the curriculum have not sought informed consent from children who could suffer injuries that affect them in later life, according to the paper.
They claim that neither children nor adults on their behalf are legally able to give informed consent for participation and that impact-sport organisations effectively groom children into sustaining and accepting brain trauma. They argue that adults who organise “brain-traumatising” versions of these sports are complicit in a form of child abuse that they call “brain abuse”.
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The authors are two sociologists of sport and two sport psychologists
None of whom appear to be legal experts, but don't let that little issue prevent them from speaking outside their narrow field of expertise.
“Schools and clubs must not allow children to be exposed to harm when they engage in sport. Society should recognise this brain abuse as a distinct form of child abuse.”
The genuine issue of brain injury gets pushed to the side line when imbeciles make moronic statements like the above. What sport doesn't expose someone to the possibility of "harm"? At least in Oz the Australian Institute of Sport has provided advice that kids should not be able to play for at least 21 days after suffering a suspected concussion.
Ultimately I think we'll find in this current bubble wrap environment that kids won't be able to play a sport that involves tackling - they'll be playing touch football at best. Likelihood of harm seems to have disappeared from the debate.
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@antipodean said in The Current State of Rugby:
None of whom appear to be legal experts, but don't let that little issue prevent them from speaking outside their narrow field of expertise.
Interesting that one was a Judo and Kickboxing champion.
For me the report actually raised a valid and interesting point about consent and potential of brain injury but completely lost the plot by going OTT and claiming it was child abuse with no legal expertise or input. Assume you noticed the dog-whistle “feeders for profit-making professional organisations" comment?
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I mean you should probably outlaw playgrounds if we go down that route, kids always hurt themselves testing their abilities on them. I think as a society we need to be going the opposite direction and stop wrapping the young in cotton wool, as it affects the development of the brain that assesses risk if you never let them hurt themselves.
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Fine goals, but when bloater Beaumont and the gin swillers are at the helm, how much will change?
World Rugby statement: Five Shape of the Game 2024 recommendations
The latest World Rugby Shape of the Game forum in London has put forward five recommendations for 2024.
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This annoys the shit out me.
Speed and flow: Focus on aspects that keep the game flowing including speeding up the ‘use it’ call by referees at the breakdown, removing repeated scrums options, expanding the remit of the shot clock, a review of the offside law from kicks, and explore moves to provide the scrum-half with greater space and protection at the base of scrum, rucks and mauls.
The speed of the actual game is fine. It’s the time taken for injuries, water, shoe laces, reviews, cards, team chats, scrum formation and general time wasting that should be game speed focus.
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@MajorRage said in The Current State of Rugby:
This annoys the shit out me.
Speed and flow: Focus on aspects that keep the game flowing including speeding up the ‘use it’ call by referees at the breakdown, removing repeated scrums options, expanding the remit of the shot clock, a review of the offside law from kicks, and explore moves to provide the scrum-half with greater space and protection at the base of scrum, rucks and mauls.
The speed of the actual game is fine. It’s the time taken for injuries, water, shoe laces, reviews, cards, team chats, scrum formation and general time wasting that should be game speed focus.
Yes
“In particular, delegates focused on addressing barriers to fan engagement – dead-ball time, the elements that interrupt the flow of the game..."
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@Machpants they're going to ruin the game when they're looking at dumb shit like this:
explore moves to provide the scrum-half with greater space and protection at the base of scrum, rucks and mauls
Brilliant. Make the game even more prone to subjective calls. The solution you dim-witted donkeys is to exhaust players by making sure there's more time in play within the game and that the two halves don't run for hours.
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"Language and presentation of the game: A renewed passion and urgency to focus on building rugby’s attention share via a fan-focused view of how the game is marketed, a consistent approach to the presentation of the sport across all media environments, and a focus on the moments in the game that really engage fans."
One recommendation I'd make is: how about we scrap this sort of meaningless management consultant wank?
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The Current State of Rugby:
"Language and presentation of the game: A renewed passion and urgency to focus on building rugby’s attention share via a fan-focused view of how the game is marketed, a consistent approach to the presentation of the sport across all media environments, and a focus on the moments in the game that really engage fans."
One recommendation I'd make is: how about we scrap this sort of meaningless management consultant wank?
That's a way bigger problem than rugby!
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Yep An hour and a few pints in Bodmin Rugby Club would impart more useful info to WR than engaging in this sort of verbal masturbation.
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@Tim also policing some existing laws properly would help too (binding at rucks/mauls, putting ball into scrum)
I dont like the comment re giving the 9 more protection, they get enough with the amount of fucking around with the ball they are allowed to do with rolling it back, turning it, positioning it to pass/kick, not to mention the line of players they have protecting them as well (back to the binding here too)
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@MajorRage said in The Current State of Rugby:
This annoys the shit out me.
Speed and flow: Focus on aspects that keep the game flowing including speeding up the ‘use it’ call by referees at the breakdown, removing repeated scrums options, expanding the remit of the shot clock, a review of the offside law from kicks, and explore moves to provide the scrum-half with greater space and protection at the base of scrum, rucks and mauls.
The speed of the actual game is fine. It’s the time taken for injuries, water, shoe laces, reviews, cards, team chats, scrum formation and general time wasting that should be game speed focus.
Hear, hear.
Particularly the prolonged injury breaks.
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@Tim said in The Current State of Rugby:
If international rugby can focus on time in play more than replays (zing!), then it will be good entertainment.
If it goes back to the shit served up at the last world cup then no one should watch it.
Think this year's 6N's has been a huge improvement. Replays when needed, but only for the important stuff.
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@MajorRage said in The Current State of Rugby:
This annoys the shit out me.
Speed and flow: Focus on aspects that keep the game flowing including speeding up the ‘use it’ call by referees at the breakdown, removing repeated scrums options, expanding the remit of the shot clock, a review of the offside law from kicks, and explore moves to provide the scrum-half with greater space and protection at the base of scrum, rucks and mauls.
The speed of the actual game is fine. It’s the time taken for injuries, water, shoe laces, reviews, cards, team chats, scrum formation and general time wasting that should be game speed focus.
thats bloody fair....i think its also becoming self fulfilling...people in rugby management or commentary openly saying (or at least implying) scrums are bad and we need less....rather than selling the idea that the pace of the game will go up and down, pressure will build, forwards will work to get in the right field position for the back to explode
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