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  • Daffy JaffyD Offline
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    wrote on last edited by Daffy Jaffy
    #4627

    https://www.theroar.com.au/2024/02/08/leaked-document-says-ra-out-to-destroy-super-rugby-and-turn-members-against-each-other-as-rebels-pain-comes-to-light/
    The Melbourne Rebels have accused Rugby Australia of seeking to “destroy” the current Super Rugby Pacific structure by deliberately underfunding its member unions and lambasted the national union for their unrestricted World Cup budget blowout.

    A leaked document, written by the Melbourne Rebels Board and Rugby Victoria, also reveals that seven months before the Rebels went into voluntary administration, RA demanded the Melbourne-based side be known as the Rebels Pasifikia.

    The Roar understands that RA chief executive Phil Waugh was the brainchild of the Melbourne-based franchise joining forces with Moana Pasifikia, who are owned by New Zealand Rugby and propped up by World Rugby but have struggled on and off the field since entering the competition in 2021.

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    Machpants
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    #4628

    LOL Unit that goes into administration tried to blame everyone else and not their shit spending and business. Then leaks about it.

    Might be some truth in some of it, 'demand' they merge with MP more likely a a suggestion - as RA knew they were going down the gurgler.

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  • Dan54D Offline
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    Whole thing makes for shit reading doesn't it? Not sure how much is true, I can understand some on Rebels board being pretty pissed. but not sure if this kind of 'leak' does anyone or thing any good. Seems the more you read (even allowing for papers exageration or own bias) it looking more and more like Rebels are history, as at moment seems you can't actually but tickets to their games at AAMI stadium, all on hold or something. Whether that's got to do with adminstration etc is not real clear.

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  • antipodeanA Offline
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    antipodean
    replied to Daffy Jaffy on last edited by
    #4630

    @Daffy-Jaffy said in Aussie Rugby:

    The Roar understands that RA chief executive Phil Waugh was the brainchild of the Melbourne-based franchise joining forces with Moana Pasifikia, who are owned by New Zealand Rugby and propped up by World Rugby but have struggled on and off the field since entering the competition in 2021.

    That would not surprise me in the slightest.

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    bayimports
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    #4631

    Nothing good tends to happens in pub/nightclub toilets however Kurtley got lucky and now cleared

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  • KiwiMurphK Offline
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    #4632
    The future of the Melbourne Rebels beyond the 2024 season will be known by early March after documents filed to the corporate regulator revealed the embattled Super Rugby franchise had only $17,300 in the bank.
    
    The grim financial state of the Super Rugby franchise was laid bare in a creditors meeting held on Thursday, the minutes of which were filed to the Australian Securities and Investment Commission on Monday.
    
    The administrators agreed to meet again by March 4, when they will hand down a report determining whether the Rebels should be wound up.
    
    Auditors from PwC appointed to investigate the club’s financials revealed the Rebels owe $11.6 million to the Australian Taxation Office, $5.7 million to board members, and $2.8 million to suppliers – which include sponsors that paid their fees upfront.
    
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  • TimT Away
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    Tim
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    #4633

    So $20.1M in debt?

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  • sparkyS Offline
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    1. Five Australian Super Rugby Teams is probably two too many.

    2. There is not nearly enough interest in Melbourne in the sport to sustain a professional Rugby team.

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  • nzzpN Offline
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    #4635

    @KiwiMurph How do you owe $6M to board members?

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  • NTAN Offline
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    NTA
    replied to nzzp on last edited by
    #4636

    @nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:

    @KiwiMurph How do you owe $6M to board members?

    Especially as the board got you into this mess.

    They should be blackballed.

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    Bovidae
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    @nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:

    @KiwiMurph How do you owe $6M to board members?

    Did some provide personal loans?

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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    Kiwiwomble
    replied to Bovidae on last edited by
    #4638

    @Bovidae said in Aussie Rugby:

    @nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:

    @KiwiMurph How do you owe $6M to board members?

    Did some provide personal loans?

    thats what i was wondering

    @KiwiMurph said in Aussie Rugby:

    
    and $2.8 million to suppliers – which include sponsors that paid their fees upfront.
    

    what does this mean? the sponsors pay them a fee to get a sign on the ground on jersey or something, how can they owe them money? is that only if they get wound up and dont play games so the sponsor doesnt get their moneys worth?

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    chucknz
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    #4639

    @Kiwiwomble
    The sponsorship part is probably future year agreements that have been paid upfront I guess

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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    Kiwiwomble
    replied to chucknz on last edited by Kiwiwomble
    #4640

    @chucknz so only an issue if they are wound up? the rebels owe them EITHER the money or the exposure?

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    chucknz
    replied to Kiwiwomble on last edited by
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    @Kiwiwomble
    Thats how I imagine it to be, the Rebels would have performance/appearance clauses with the sponsors and if not meet then money may need to be repaid

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  • NTAN Offline
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    #4642

    @Bovidae said in Aussie Rugby:

    @nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:

    @KiwiMurph How do you owe $6M to board members?

    Did some provide personal loans?

    That's absolute fuckery, if true. You're on the Board to ensure things run smoothly. Popping your own cash into the venture creates a massive conflict of interest.

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  • KiwiwombleK Offline
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    Kiwiwomble
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    #4643

    i guess they might just not have been paid their fee's, they may have agreed to defer payments

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  • antipodeanA Offline
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    wrote on last edited by antipodean
    #4644

    If they've amassed $6m in board fees since 2020 for such an organisation, I can see why they're in the state they are.

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    Machpants
    replied to NTA on last edited by Machpants
    #4645

    @NTA said in Aussie Rugby:

    @Bovidae said in Aussie Rugby:

    @nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:

    @KiwiMurph How do you owe $6M to board members?

    Did some provide personal loans?

    That's absolute fuckery, if true. You're on the Board to ensure things run smoothly. Popping your own cash into the venture creates a massive conflict of interest.

    LOL that is pretty much every 'big benefactor' in sport. They give loans, which are sometimes written off, and they sit on boards. See all the premiership teams

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    NTA
    replied to Machpants on last edited by
    #4646

    @Machpants said in Aussie Rugby:

    LOL that is pretty much every 'big benefactor' in sport. They give loans, which are sometimes written off, and they sit on boards. See all the premiership teams

    They must be much better at whatever they did to get the money than they are running a rugby club.

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