Black Caps - Bangladesh tour
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@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Struggling in tough conditions makes test cricket utterly compelling at times. They can’t all play on roads all the time.
Yep. Not sure why it would elicit such a response that people weren't allowed to talk about it, or that they professed to know more than a pro cricketer. Weird. I might get it if it was dangerous, but I didn't hear any complaints about that (I think there were only 24 overs from quicks* anyway).
*includes Tim.
Moving on. Think I saw a bit of O'Rourke in NZ A match v OZ (Ashok too). Looked O.K. Quick google shows bowling stats are promising, but unlikely to rescue us down the order with the bat (not his job anyway).
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@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@MN5 said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Struggling in tough conditions makes test cricket utterly compelling at times. They can’t all play on roads all the time.
Yep. Not sure why it would elicit such a response that people weren't allowed to talk about it, or that they professed to know more than a pro cricketer. Weird. I might get it if it was dangerous, but I didn't hear any complaints about that (I think there were only 24 overs from quicks* anyway).
*includes Tim.
Moving on. Think I saw a bit of O'Rourke in NZ A match v OZ (Ashok too). Looked O.K. Quick google shows bowling stats are promising, but unlikely to rescue us down the order with the bat (not his job anyway).
If he does well you can be sure England will claim credit.
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Tim southee has forgotten more about cricket than you fucking idiots have ever known
And he said it was the worst deck he's played on
So maybe shut up
Worst pitch to play on and most fun pitch to watch cricket being played on, aren't mutually exclusive.
Although, I'd actually agree with him. Once the inconsistent bounce was added (by day 3, although only day 2 of actual wear and tear) to the crazy spin, it edged into the 'too spicy' side of the scale.
I can handle movement, in fact as a bowler I welcome it
But when the bounce is that inconsistent it's a shit deck, and batting goes from hard to a lottery
As a bat you can handle movement you train for it.
Inconsistent bounce, I 100 % agree it is a lottery go forward or back 50/50 you have made the right decision.
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@Chris said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
As a bat you can handle movement you train for it.
Inconsistent bounce, I 100 % agree it is a lottery go forward or back 50/50 you have made the right decision.
Very poor pitch if you can not trust the bounce its a shit pitch.Well, I'm glad that we all agree on that. Absolutely no one has said that it was a good one in the first place of course.
@Chris said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
And some of those extras you can tag on to Blundel due to the byes he let through.
But it was a shit pitch with variable bounce, so some of that could be forgiven perhaps.
Still a great match to watch though.
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@Chris said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Did I say otherwise ,Blundels misses some from the pitch and some were lazy poor technique.
Yeah it was an absorbing test match but I prefer a more even contest for all.
I don't know much about keeping so will take your word for it, Blundel certainly let through more than the Bangle keeper (19 v 6).
It is rarely an even contest over the whole 5 days anyway, and so often errs in favour of the batsmen that this made a nice change I thought. We will see more roads than not again in the near future I'm sure.
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@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Chris said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Did I say otherwise ,Blundels misses some from the pitch and some were lazy poor technique.
Yeah it was an absorbing test match but I prefer a more even contest for all.
I don't know much about keeping so will take your word for it, Blundel certainly let through more than the Bangle keeper (19 v 6).
It is rarely an even contest over the whole 5 days anyway, and so often errs in favour of the batsmen that this made a nice change I thought. We will see more roads than not again in the near future I'm sure.
I did enjoy it as a game,
Blundel should have stayed down a bit longer stops you getting beaten with the low bounce, that way you can keep everything behind the ball.
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@Chris said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Snowy said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Chris said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Did I say otherwise ,Blundels misses some from the pitch and some were lazy poor technique.
Yeah it was an absorbing test match but I prefer a more even contest for all.
I don't know much about keeping so will take your word for it, Blundel certainly let through more than the Bangle keeper (19 v 6).
It is rarely an even contest over the whole 5 days anyway, and so often errs in favour of the batsmen that this made a nice change I thought. We will see more roads than not again in the near future I'm sure.
I did enjoy it as a game,
Blundel should have stayed down a bit longer stops you getting beaten with the low bounce, that way you can keep everything behind the ball.
If you come up too soon it is too hard to get back down to cover the low bounce.I was an average keeper in my day, but had the pleasure of Tony Blaine as a coach for a short while - this was the main thing he used to drill into me. Just stay the fuck down. You can always get up fast.
That and the imaginary semi-circle that you operate in when keeping to spinners, twisting your body to stay in touch of the stumps at all times.Good fella he was
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@Chris said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Will O'Rourke is an interesting one he is tall hits the deck hard can get it up around 140ks.
Perfect if he can hold his line and length and that is the big question ,he does drop short sometimes which is a boundary in White ball cricket.Was it him you said was in Brissy rehabbing a back injury? If so sounds like it went well for the young fella. Or was it Shipley? I can't be arsed going back to find your post.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Chris said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Will O'Rourke is an interesting one he is tall hits the deck hard can get it up around 140ks.
Perfect if he can hold his line and length and that is the big question ,he does drop short sometimes which is a boundary in White ball cricket.Was it him you said was in Brissy rehabbing a back injury? If so sounds like it went well for the young fella. Or was it Shipley? I can't be arsed going back to find your post.
It was Shipley @Crazy-Horse
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@Rapido said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
Tim southee has forgotten more about cricket than you fucking idiots have ever known
And he said it was the worst deck he's played on
So maybe shut up
Worst pitch to play on and most fun pitch to watch cricket being played on, aren't mutually exclusive.
Although, I'd actually agree with him. Once the inconsistent bounce was added (by day 3, although only day 2 of actual wear and tear) to the crazy spin, it edged into the 'too spicy' side of the scale.
I can handle movement, in fact as a bowler I welcome it
But when the bounce is that inconsistent it's a shit deck, and batting goes from hard to a lottery
And it becomes the complete opposite of T20. Where batsman don't have to protect their wickets to where they can't.
It's instructive just how often a lot of wickets fall with few balls:
For me, the sweet spot is a wicket which develops a response somewhere in the last four sessions of a Test. A result within three days is a shit wicket IMO.
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@antipodean said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
a shit wicket IMO.
I think that has been unanimously agreed (perhaps a Fern first) upon.
Most also seemed to have enjoyed watching it. Make of that what you will.
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@antipodean said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
It's instructive just how often a lot of wickets fall with few balls:
An interesting thing about that chart is how recent the matches with fewer balls bowled is. Skewed heavily by the amount of cricket played now rather than in much earlier times, but there is only one real oldie (1959) on the first page and yet the last page of the 586 tests is completely full of old matches. Last timeless test was 1939.
Draw your own conclusions from that, but uncovered pitches, sticky wickets, poor pitch prep, etc don't seem to have prevented batsmen from staying in. Run rates are indicative of how the matches were played obviously. Loads of other interpretations too. What were the new ball rules in 1928 for example? How many overs before it was replaced? There were 700 overs in that last test...
Edit: would have been 8 ball overs, so the equivalent of 700 modern overs.
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update on the pitch
Mirpur wicket "unsatisfactory"
The International Cricket Council says the pitch for the second test between the Black Caps and Bangladesh was "unsatisfactory".
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@nzzp said in Black Caps - Bangladesh tour:
update on the pitch
Mirpur wicket "unsatisfactory"
The International Cricket Council says the pitch for the second test between the Black Caps and Bangladesh was "unsatisfactory".
The win was satisfactory though
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