Best current goalkickers in NZ Rugby
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@Bovidae said in Best current goalkickers in NZ Rugby:
Have you got the % for penalties from say 45 m+?
Not really. There is a chart of a teams kicks across the season. But that combines all the teams kickers
The black marks are misses
Circle is a penalty
+ is a Conversion
Diamond is a DG
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assuming over the course of the seasons penalties for average out for all the teams...im surprised we didnt go for more given a) we were less likely to score tries than other teams and b) Gilbert was kicking well
is that 5 penalties kicked and 1 missed outside the 22?
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@Bovidae said in Best current goalkickers in NZ Rugby:
Interesting. So DMac is really the only kicker who regularly attempted long-range penalties.
Also he was consistent between penalties & conversions
Pens 19/26 = 73%
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@Bovidae said in Best current goalkickers in NZ Rugby:
@frugby said in Best current goalkickers in NZ Rugby:
I think Sam Gilbert is quite clearly the best kicker... at least professionally?
I'm not sure Gilbert is even the best goal-kicker in Otago. Millar doesn't miss much from what I've seen.
For thing is for sure, only DMac and JB have the range to kick accurately from 50 m. Maybe Sullivan is also in that conversation.
I would have Millar as a very close 2nd. Highlanders are blessed to have both of them, both can kick accurately, and from range.
McKenzie also fairly good generally, Sullivan less consistent but good from range.
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@Duluth Thanks for the stats. I knew Gilbert was good, but I didn't know he was that good!
I get the feeling that JB's kicking has fallen off over the years, but coaches/selectors haven't really noticed and they still have kicking listed as a major string to his bow. Just a suspicion of course (as I don't have his stats over multiple seasons).
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@Duluth Another really insightful graph.
Chiefs: They seem to be a bit more confident/optimistic from further out. They're actually hitting a few successfully from long range. Does anyone know what exactly Dmac did to work on his kicking in Japan? BC his kicking for posts and out-of-hand stuff has improved quite a bit.
Highlanders: They have really accurate kickers in their team, but I also get the feeling that they have really good decision rules re when to go for goal and who takes the shot from where (i.e. side, angle, distance). Impressive.
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@Punch_up said in Best current goalkickers in NZ Rugby:
@Duluth Another really insightful graph.
Chiefs: They seem to be a bit more confident/optimistic from further out. They're actually hitting a few successfully from long range. Does anyone know what exactly Dmac did to work on his kicking in Japan? BC his kicking for posts and out-of-hand stuff has improved quite a bit.
Highlanders: They have really accurate kickers in their team, but I also get the feeling that they have really good decision rules re when to go for goal and who takes the shot from where (i.e. side, angle, distance). Impressive.
Part of it with the Highlanders is probably that we get behind early, so kick fewer penalties, particularly low percentage ones.
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@Punch_up said in Best current goalkickers in NZ Rugby:
@Duluth Another really insightful graph.
Highlanders: They have really accurate kickers in their team, but I also get the feeling that they have really good decision rules re when to go for goal and who takes the shot from where (i.e. side, angle, distance). Impressive.
Does kicking indoors also help?
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@Nevorian said in Best current goalkickers in NZ Rugby:
@Punch_up said in Best current goalkickers in NZ Rugby:
@Duluth Another really insightful graph.
Highlanders: They have really accurate kickers in their team, but I also get the feeling that they have really good decision rules re when to go for goal and who takes the shot from where (i.e. side, angle, distance). Impressive.
Does kicking indoors also help?
To an extent, the lack of wind/rain obviously helps, but we also play over half our games away from home, and obviously other games are played in the basking sun.
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@Nevorian said in Best current goalkickers in NZ Rugby:
@Punch_up said in Best current goalkickers in NZ Rugby:
@Duluth Another really insightful graph.
Highlanders: They have really accurate kickers in their team, but I also get the feeling that they have really good decision rules re when to go for goal and who takes the shot from where (i.e. side, angle, distance). Impressive.
Does kicking indoors also help?
and famously all those kickers in the 2011 RWC were claiming they found it weirdly harder
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@frugby That's a good point.
In a similar but almost opposite vein, when a team like the Blues get a wide penalty in or just outside the 22, the temptation to rather kick for touch must be strong bc they have Rieko, Telea, and Clarke as weapons. As a result, they might be rejecting very kickable penalties.
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@Punch_up said in Best current goalkickers in NZ Rugby:
Btw, any of the Aussies beating Gilbert's overall %?
Nope
Hodge was 3rd in the number of kicks landed and had a %age of 81.7
Lolesio was 7th on total kicks landed at a %age of 81.8
Donaldson 8th @ 69.4
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@Duluth Seeing Hodge and Lolesio on that list just reminds me of badly Eddie Jones messed up the Wallabies RWC campaign. I get wanting to blood new players and not wanting too many ULTRA-experienced oldish players, but if he had mixed Ultra-experienced players with Rennie Wallabies and his EJ youngsters they could've strolled their way to a RWC SF. Not too mention the handful of Aussie tight forwards playing in the French Top14.
