Black Caps Tour to Zimbabwe
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<p>Collinge and Hadlee - although they didn't overlap much</p>
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<p>True, he was pretty good but most of Paddles career overlapped with a bunch of fucken honest toilers as opposed to outright stars at the other end. That helped him get as many wickets as he did ( not for a second suggesting he's anything less than a legend but it helped he didn't have another spearhead at the other end like so many others did )</p>
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<p>Sir Paddles brother could have been foil to the great man if injury didn't persist.</p> -
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<p>Boult's never regained his pace after his injury.</p>
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<p>Southee has always flattered to deceive - Occasionally brilliant usually quite toothless</p>
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<p>Yeah, Southee had a great patch when he had Boult at the other end firing on all cylinders. But on his own he's never been world class - he's very effective when conditions suit though.</p>
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<p>It is a shame Boult hasn't regained his pace since his injury, he was on track to be one of our best ever. Just another in an outrageously long line of NZ bowlers to have their careers impacted by back problems. It really is a curse for us.</p>
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<p>That said Boult is still a <em>very</em> good bowler.</p> -
<p>Southee started very averagely but then had about 3 years in a row where he averaged sub 30 but now seems to have regressed again. Southee averages below 30 against Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe. Again, his stats are hurt by his poor start. Boult only averages below 30 against England, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe. Both bowlers, however, have done quite well in Asia which shows they can perform in a variety of conditions.</p>
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<p>I think they are definitely a step down from the likes of Broad and Anderson but are still a handful, especially when the ball is swinging.</p> -
<p>I think they both work in Asia because the flat pitches make them pitch it up, which works for the way they bowl. Asia is actually not that bad from a medium pace swing point of view, tends to be the only sort of quick that really works. Well, apart from very fast swing. Basically you need to have your "natural" length as full.</p>
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<p>On the test, why has Ish only bowled 18 overs when the rest are not doing shit? (I'm not watching) unless the others have had a "wow, that is incredibly lucky not to be out!" moment every over & it just isn't reflected in the figures? </p> -
<p><strong><em>Sodhi to Nyumbu, <span>OUT</span>, oh my, oh my. Of the many deliveries to get a wicket. Another awful long-hop outside off. So slow, sits up for Nyumbu to hit anywhere he likes. Tries to drag it from well outside off after rocking back deep in his crease, but ends up top-edging his tentative pull. Straight to Santner at midwicket</em></strong></p>
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<p>Maybe this explains it...</p> -
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<p><strong><em>Sodhi to Nyumbu, <span>OUT</span>, oh my, oh my. Of the many deliveries to get a wicket. Another awful long-hop outside off. So slow, sits up for Nyumbu to hit anywhere he likes. Tries to drag it from well outside off after rocking back deep in his crease, but ends up top-edging his tentative pull. Straight to Santner at midwicket</em></strong></p>
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<p>Maybe this explains it...</p>
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<p>That whole spell was full of terrible deliveries - yet he ends with 4-60.</p> -
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<p>I think they both work in Asia because the flat pitches make them pitch it up, which works for the way they bowl. Asia is actually not that bad from a medium pace swing point of view, tends to be the only sort of quick that really works. Well, apart from very fast swing. Basically you need to have your "natural" length as full.</p>
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<p>On the test, why has Ish only bowled 18 overs when the rest are not doing shit? (I'm not watching) unless the others have had a "wow, that is incredibly lucky not to be out!" moment every over & it just isn't reflected in the figures? </p>
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<p>Sodhi ended up getting 4 wickets but was bowling absolutely a lot of tripe.</p> -
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<p>cmon black caps.. lets play this odi styles </p>
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<p>They never do. In test match cricket they always play to protect the average even when quick runs are needed.</p> -
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<p>Fuck. Are we batting? Shit harden up and bowl again.</p>
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<p>Never really the plan.</p>
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<p>After all - we declared after five sessions, with another ten sessions to play in the match. We could have batted on and set an even stiffer follow-on target if we weren't concerned about resting the bowlers between Zimbabwean innings.</p> -
<p>Following on these days is actually stacked a bit against the dominant team. Not that they risk losing but more risk drawing.</p>
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<p>Resting bowlers on flat decks comes into the equation far more than 20+ years ago</p>
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<p>So, there's 59 overs left today and 90 tomorrow</p>
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<p>They got 362 on a flat wicket</p>
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<p>We are 230 odd ahead.</p>
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<p>What to do?</p>
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<p>Set them 330 odd? Probably 350 to 380 might be the go and rely on a day 5 pitch and Santner and Ish and Kane. I saw the quicks bowling and really it was flat and little swing so not a pitch for seamers</p>
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<p>How about bat for 35-40 overs today encouraging a rr of 4.5 plus</p>
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<p>Then have an hour tonight and 3 sessions tomorrow to get 10 wickets. Too conservative?</p>
