Black Caps Tour to Zimbabwe
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<p>It's a bit of a shame the bowlers aren't in quite the same sort of touch though......or am I demanding too much ?</p>
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<p>SHADDUP!!!</p>
<p>He didn't mean it, cricket gods, honest. We humbly and gratefully accept multiple batting centurions.</p> -
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<p>SHADDUP!!!</p>
<p>He didn't mean it, cricket gods, honest. We humbly and gratefully accept multiple batting centurions.</p>
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<p>We've got guys eclipsing Crowe, let's have them eclipsing Paddles too !</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="MN5" data-cid="603965" data-time="1470615784">
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<p>It's a bit of a shame the bowlers aren't in quite the same sort of touch though......or am I demanding too much ?</p>
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<p>To be fair to the bowlers its the flip side of the coin, </p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://tinyurl.com/50-Averages'>http://tinyurl.com/50-Averages</a></p>
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<p>Last 2 years, out of batsmen who have scored 1000+ runs <strong><em>13 average 50+</em></strong>. Thats ridiculous. And thats why frankly averaging 30 as a bowler is pretty solid. Be interesting once the new bat thicknesses come in how that changes, all the thick edge 6's become regulation keeper / slip catches, as they were 20 years ago. Same with top edged hooks sailing for 6 instead of caught halfway to the boundary.</p>
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<p>When you look at our quick unit, 20 years ago those averages would have been 24, 26 & 28. </p> -
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<p>To be fair to the bowlers its the flip side of the coin, </p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://tinyurl.com/50-Averages'>http://tinyurl.com/50-Averages</a></p>
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<p>Last 2 years, out of batsmen who have scored 1000+ runs <strong><em>13 average 50+</em></strong>. Thats ridiculous. And thats why frankly averaging 30 as a bowler is pretty solid. Be interesting once the new bat thicknesses come in how that changes, all the thick edge 6's become regulation keeper / slip catches, as they were 20 years ago. Same with top edged hooks sailing for 6 instead of caught halfway to the boundary.</p>
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<p>When you look at our quick unit, 20 years ago those averages would have been 24, 26 & 28. </p>
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<p>I hear all that but don't think it's a stretch to say Boult and Southee aren't quite at their best.</p> -
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<p>I hear all that but don't think it's a stretch to say Boult and Southee aren't quite at their best.</p>
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<p>Yeah, I agree with thaty, Boult seems to have not really kicked on from 18 months ago & Southee has regressed. If you looked 18 months back at Boult & Starc they were pretty close, now Starc is WAY ahead in all conditions.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="gollum" data-cid="604083" data-time="1470655008"><p>Yeah, I agree with thaty, Boult seems to have not really kicked on from 18 months ago & Southee has regressed. If you looked 18 months back at Boult & Starc they were pretty close, now Starc is WAY ahead in all conditions.</p></blockquote>So Bond had nothing to do with it?
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<p>So Bond had nothing to do with it?</p>
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<p>A huge amount yes. Compounded by us picking a shithouse medium pace dibble bowler to replace him. While Starc was getting Donald & Gillespie.</p> -
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<p>I think the reason they're struggling is pace. When Boult was threatening everyone he was bowling in the 140km/h.. or very close to it..</p>
<p>These days he dobbling in around 130km/h</p>
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<p>Yep - there's no substitute for pace - especially when the pitch is doing nothing.</p> -
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<p>Collinge and Hadlee - although they didn't overlap much</p>
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<p>True, he was pretty good but most of Paddles career overlapped with a bunch of fucken honest toilers as opposed to outright stars at the other end. That helped him get as many wickets as he did ( not for a second suggesting he's anything less than a legend but it helped he didn't have another spearhead at the other end like so many others did )</p>
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<p>Sir Paddles brother could have been foil to the great man if injury didn't persist.</p> -
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<p>Boult's never regained his pace after his injury.</p>
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<p>Southee has always flattered to deceive - Occasionally brilliant usually quite toothless</p>
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<p>Yeah, Southee had a great patch when he had Boult at the other end firing on all cylinders. But on his own he's never been world class - he's very effective when conditions suit though.</p>
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<p>It is a shame Boult hasn't regained his pace since his injury, he was on track to be one of our best ever. Just another in an outrageously long line of NZ bowlers to have their careers impacted by back problems. It really is a curse for us.</p>
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<p>Southee started very averagely but then had about 3 years in a row where he averaged sub 30 but now seems to have regressed again. Southee averages below 30 against Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe. Again, his stats are hurt by his poor start. Boult only averages below 30 against England, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe. Both bowlers, however, have done quite well in Asia which shows they can perform in a variety of conditions.</p>
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<p>I think they both work in Asia because the flat pitches make them pitch it up, which works for the way they bowl. Asia is actually not that bad from a medium pace swing point of view, tends to be the only sort of quick that really works. Well, apart from very fast swing. Basically you need to have your "natural" length as full.</p>
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<p>On the test, why has Ish only bowled 18 overs when the rest are not doing shit? (I'm not watching) unless the others have had a "wow, that is incredibly lucky not to be out!" moment every over & it just isn't reflected in the figures? </p> -
<p><strong><em>Sodhi to Nyumbu, <span>OUT</span>, oh my, oh my. Of the many deliveries to get a wicket. Another awful long-hop outside off. So slow, sits up for Nyumbu to hit anywhere he likes. Tries to drag it from well outside off after rocking back deep in his crease, but ends up top-edging his tentative pull. Straight to Santner at midwicket</em></strong></p>
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<p><strong><em>Sodhi to Nyumbu, <span>OUT</span>, oh my, oh my. Of the many deliveries to get a wicket. Another awful long-hop outside off. So slow, sits up for Nyumbu to hit anywhere he likes. Tries to drag it from well outside off after rocking back deep in his crease, but ends up top-edging his tentative pull. Straight to Santner at midwicket</em></strong></p>
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<p>Maybe this explains it...</p>
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<p>That whole spell was full of terrible deliveries - yet he ends with 4-60.</p> -
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<p>I think they both work in Asia because the flat pitches make them pitch it up, which works for the way they bowl. Asia is actually not that bad from a medium pace swing point of view, tends to be the only sort of quick that really works. Well, apart from very fast swing. Basically you need to have your "natural" length as full.</p>
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<p>On the test, why has Ish only bowled 18 overs when the rest are not doing shit? (I'm not watching) unless the others have had a "wow, that is incredibly lucky not to be out!" moment every over & it just isn't reflected in the figures? </p>
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<p>Sodhi ended up getting 4 wickets but was bowling absolutely a lot of tripe.</p>
