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Interesting stuff.
Yet, I still don't get it. At all.
Mainly because despite everything I read, the left wingers in this country are still 100% behind, and support, Palestine. Which is obviously quite difficult to do given the Corbyn's recent run-in with opposing Jews.
Still can't get my head around it.
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A key driver may well be Hamas's attitude to Jews. Here are a few extracts from its charter. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the situation (and I think it's reasonable to blame Israel for much of it), Hamas seems to have a pretty vile racist ideology (Godwin alert..) not dissimilar to Nazi Germany.
'The Day of Judgment will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then, the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: 'O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him.' (Article 7) 'The enemies have been scheming for a long time and have accumulated huge and influential material wealth. With their money, they took control of the world media. With their money they stirred revolutions in various parts of the globe. They stood behind the French Revolution, the Communist Revolution and most of the revolutions we hear about. With their money they formed secret organizations - such as the Freemasons, Rotary Clubs and the Lions - which are spreading around the world, in order to destroy societies and carry out Zionist interests. They stood behind World War I and formed the League of Nations through which they could rule the world. They were behind World War II, through which they made huge financial gains.There is no war going on anywhere without them having their finger in it.' (Article 22) 'Zionism scheming has no end, and after Palestine, they will covet expansion from the Nile to the Euphrates River. When they have finished digesting the area on which they have laid their hand, they will look forward to more expansion. Their scheme has been laid out in the 'Protocols of the Elders of Zion'.' (Article 32) 'The HAMAS regards itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of struggle against World Zionism. Islamic groups all over the Arab world should also do the same, since they are best equipped for their future role in the fight against the warmongering Jews.'
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@majorrage said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
Interesting stuff.
Yet, I still don't get it. At all.
Mainly because despite everything I read, the left wingers in this country are still 100% behind, and support, Palestine. Which is obviously quite difficult to do given the Corbyn's recent run-in with opposing Jews.
Still can't get my head around it.
From what I can tell there are plenty of Palestinians that would love Israel to topple Hamas so they don't have to live under their rule anymore, and plenty of others that are right behind what Hamas are doing. And there are lots of Jews that oppose what the Israel government is doing, and plenty more that are right behind them. Like anything that involves human's it's a complex mess, which political activists in the west reduce down to a single issue (Israel bad, Palestine good, and vice versa) and then spout all sorts of bullshit on social media to make themselves look and feel virtuous.
One thing that seems apparent is that Israel takes measures to protect their own citizens, whereas Hamas is more than happy to use theirs as human shields.
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@no-quarter Probably not a bad explanation there fella.
The only thing I know is that when the left wingers / far left fully support one side, then they are probably completely wrong. But in this case, the other side is Israel. And I've worked with a few Israeli's in my time, and did not like a single one of them. Worked with plenty of Jew's who I had a lot of time for, but Israeli's .... Nup.
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@no-quarter said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
Hamas is more than happy to use theirs as human shields.
You are probably correct but that doesn't appear to work. Israel are O.K. with collateral damage it seems, in order to get at Hamas leaders.
All a complete clusterfuck.
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I see Hamas and Palestinians generally are once again demonstrating to the world what they really are. And yet people still call for the West Bank to be handed back.
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Fuck them
Not our problemTheir gods should take care of it
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@reprobate what would you do?
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This unfortunately has a bit of an Afghanistan feel to it - it's completely unsolvable.
It's amazing how many people (Corbynite Lefties) seem to be celebrating the killing of innocent Israeli citizens.
This stuff should never be celebrated. Just a complete waste of life.
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@MajorRage said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
It's amazing how many people (Corbynite Lefties) seem to be celebrating the killing of innocent Israeli citizens.
What is it up to now? I saw something like 600+. A Corbyn government would have seen the UK shunned by all.
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@MajorRage said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
This unfortunately has a bit of an Afghanistan feel to it - it's completely unsolvable.
It's amazing how many people (Corbynite Lefties) seem to be celebrating the killing of innocent Israeli citizens.
This stuff should never be celebrated. Just a complete waste of life.
What happens when you promise one piece of land to two groups of people who don't want to share it
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They’re as bad as each other
Religion has a lot to answer for
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@MiketheSnow said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
They’re as bad as each other
Religion has a lot to answer for
They've both indiscriminately abducted, raped and murdered unarmed civilians?
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@booboo said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@MiketheSnow said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
They’re as bad as each other
Religion has a lot to answer for
They've both indiscriminately abducted, raped and murdered unarmed civilians?
Not today perhaps
But Israel are no choirboys
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@MiketheSnow said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
They’re as bad as each other
Utter nonsense.
Religion has a lot to answer for
Yes it does. But I suspect these cave dwelling deformities would find any other excuse.
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@antipodean said in Israel, Iran, Syria, and the rest of the ... Middle East:
@reprobate what would you do?
Post another graph implying, without actually saying, that Israel is worse???