Otago 2023
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So there ends a frustrating season for the Golden O, and a painful year really considering we all support the Highlanders as well!
That game showed many things, but mainly what can bloody happen when you don't kick the ball away. I don't know if there are any stats readily available, but my gut feel would be we kicked way less, certainly less of those stupid dinky kicks + grubbers anyway.
Hastie was awesome when we did kick, because at least he gets some height and distance on them. Until that incredible last play, didn't think Faleafaga was great, but that last ball showed exactly what he is capable of.
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Anyway, some end of season ratings:
PROPS:
Abraham Pole: 8/10
Rohan Wingham: 7.5/10
Ben Lopas: 6.5/10
Jermaine Ainsley: 7.5/10
Saula Ma'u: 8.5/10Thought the whole unit was really good, with our scrum going very well. Ma'u came on massively, and would really like to see him start a few more games for the Landers next year. Him and de Groot would be the start of a monstrous front row for certain games.
HOOKERS:
Henry Bell: 7/10
Ricky Jackson: 6/10Both started the season a little slowly, but by the end of it, I thought Bell in particular was looking good. Does the basics well, and is really busy in and around the fringes which I like. Will be fascinating to see how he goes in Super Rugby
LOCKS:
Josh Dickson: 7/10
Fabian Holland: 8.5/10
Will Tucker: 5/10
Josh Hill: 6/10Dickson and Hill were fine, and the latter shapes as an acceptable replacement for the former, who departs for the land of the rising sun. Reckon Holland was really good, but misused by Donnelly, who didn't really get the best out of him. I just don't see it with Will Tucker. My guess is Donnelly likes him, which is probably why he gets a Highlanders gig, but I think he is decidedly average, though admittedly fine for Otago.
LOOSE FORWARDS:
Christian Lio-Willie: 8/10
Tom Sanders: 6/10
Sean Withy: 5.5/10
Sam Fischli: 5/10
Harry Taylor: 6/10
Will Stodart: 7/10Not sure we really got the best out of our loose forward trio for one reason or another. Lio-Willie was dominant, but the rest, barring Stodart, who clearly should have had way more game time, were either disappointing or just played to their low level of ability. Withy and Sanders in particular weren't as good as you might have liked...
HALFBACKS:
James Arscott: 6/10
Kieran McClea: 5.5/10
Nathan Hastie: 7/10The big cock-up by the coaches, and you wonder whether it might have cost us quite possibly was the halfback situation. Hastie is clearly the pick of the bunch, and was massively underused. The issue here was really they had the pecking order wrong, rather than the way any of the individuals performed
FIRST FIVES:
Cam Millar: 6/10
Ajay Faleafaga: 6/10Millar hardly sighted, though was good when he played. Hopefully he can get over these injuries. Faleafaga didn't rock my world, and can't control a game with his boot. Could he blossom into a superb playmaker in a better team? Time will tell. I mean Aaron Cruden was a very good All Black 10 despite having a fairly rubbish punt, so it isn't impossible, but the rest of his game will have to be so good. The one thing I will say about Faleafaga, is he doesn't really seem to take dumb options like a Josh Ioane used to. Occasionally there is an average kick, but that is more of a reflection of a rubbish gameplan I think
MIDFIELDERS:
Thomas Umaga-Jensen: 6.5/10
Jake Te Hiwi: 6.5/10
Josh Whaanga: 7.5/10
Jack Leslie: 6.5/10None of these were individually bad, and were a victim of poor tactics/selection choices. Most of these make bad combinations together, but were actually individually pretty good. The cynic in me wonders if you will ever see TUJ for Otago again. Whaanga capped off a good first season with a great final outing. Hopefully he can grow into being a really strong dependable 13 option, because he certainly isn't a winger. Just not sure he could play with Te Hiwi, as that is a fairly slow midfield.
OUTSIDE BACKS:
Sam Gilbert: 7.5/10
Jona Nareki: 7/10
Finn Hurley: 5/10
John Tapueluelu: 6/10
Jeremiah Asi: 6/10Once again, our outsides were victims of the dumb tactics... Gilbert played a bit of everywhere, but we are clearly better when he is on the field. I suspect he might settle at 12, and if he does, he needs to focus on using his frame. Just show him videos of Jordie Barrett, because if he can be 85-90% of that, I'd take it. Nareki and Tavatavanawai are going to be a great pairing on the wings for the Landers... Asi and Tapueluelu were fine, but Hurley the interesting one. Clearly has some pace and skills, but I just don't think he can fight his size. Will always have some great highlight moments, but despite his guts, he can't defend, and generally speaking struggles in contact. A shame for him, but maybe he should give 7s a crack, or work on something offshore. I don't think he will ever be a Highlander.
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I do wonder whether Hurley could be converted to a halfback? A spot where plenty of blokes his size have thrived.
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@SouthernMann said in Otago 2023:
I do wonder whether Hurley could be converted to a halfback? A spot where plenty of blokes his size have thrived.
Have thought the same thing myself…but there is no shortage of halfbacks around Dunedin it seems so he’d have to be the absolute goods and leapfrog others that have history
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@SouthernMann said in Otago 2023:
I do wonder whether Hurley could be converted to a halfback? A spot where plenty of blokes his size have thrived.
Totally different skill-set though. You looking for totally different strengths, so I don't think so.
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@frugby said in Otago 2023:
@SouthernMann said in Otago 2023:
I do wonder whether Hurley could be converted to a halfback? A spot where plenty of blokes his size have thrived.
Totally different skill-set though. You looking for totally different strengths, so I don't think so.
Players change potion all the time. He's run backlines from 10. He is bloody strong for his size. He can kick. Probably needs to work on his pass from the base. Is bloody fast. He doesn't fit in top grade rugby in roles where he can get isolated. He has a lot of talent. Find a way to utilise it. Think outside the box with with kid. It would probably only take a season of development. Hastie top halfback. Arscott very overrated. No reason he can't be turned into one.
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@SouthernMann said in Otago 2023:
@frugby said in Otago 2023:
@SouthernMann said in Otago 2023:
I do wonder whether Hurley could be converted to a halfback? A spot where plenty of blokes his size have thrived.
Totally different skill-set though. You looking for totally different strengths, so I don't think so.
Players change potion all the time. He's run backlines from 10. He is bloody strong for his size. He can kick. Probably needs to work on his pass from the base. Is bloody fast. He doesn't fit in top grade rugby in roles where he can get isolated. He has a lot of talent. Find a way to utilise it. Think outside the box with with kid. It would probably only take a season of development. Hastie top halfback. Arscott very overrated. No reason he can't be turned into one.
You could be right, but struggling to think of a player who has converted at the professional level to halfback.
On Arscott, I'm not sure he really is overrated as such, merely has developed a reputation for being overrated, because people have decided he should be better than he is based off selections here or there.
Feel like it is a widely held view that he is a tidy halfback who does the basics well. Slick pass for definite, and quick to the ruck. If we didn't have Hastie, I'd be fine with him as my starting NPC halfback, and think he is perfect for a number three halfback for the Highlanders.
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I can't think of players who have either. Ben SMith went the other way, from a halfback at school to an outside back. I just believe there is some thinking outside of the box required with Hurley. The talent ceiling is high, the height ceiling is very low. You're right with Arscott, he is serviceable. Will do an adequate job.
The next guy who it will be interesting to watch is Dylan Pledger out of Kings. Also an absolute midget, but is a proper halfback.
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@SouthernMann said in Otago 2023:
I can't think of players who have either. Ben SMith went the other way, from a halfback at school to an outside back. I just believe there is some thinking outside of the box required with Hurley. The talent ceiling is high, the height ceiling is very low. You're right with Arscott, he is serviceable. Will do an adequate job.
The next guy who it will be interesting to watch is Dylan Pledger out of Kings. Also an absolute midget, but is a proper halfback.
It is good that they told him early he is a halfback, and not a 10. My understanding is that he has signed as part of the Highlanders High Performance Programme, so they obviously see a future for him. May take him a couple of extra years to develop.
You don't really see them, but you can get away with midgets at halfback, that Viljoen who played for the U20s this year is very small.
On the topic of halfbacks, being positive, I can now see why the Highlanders/Otago went with Hastie over Hotham. I'm not necessarily saying Hastie is better, but can see the clear quality he possesses, add in the fact he is a local guy, and I get it.
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I got a new cap and jacket in the online sale but looks like they’re clearing everything out, makes me wonder if we’re moving on from Gilbert?
