Rugby World Cup general discussion
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@taniwharugby the "new angle" being that the RFU lawyer sat him down to explain that the jig is up, and if can say sorry with a straight face then they might be able to get it down to 4 weeks
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@canefan said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby World Cup news:
so, farrell got 4 weeks and will miss a couple of englands RWC games
A common apologist argument online is that the panel is independent so the IRB have no control. I can't believe that is the case, surely they have the power to set the parameters of how these panels operate, and give guidance re-decisions (not case by case, but they must set some guidelines). All the outrage could have been avoided if the panel had done the right thing in the first place. Another own goal from the drop kicks at World Rugby.
It's not an apologist argument. The panel is independent.
The guidance is in Regulation 17, which is clearly explained here.
Discipline | World Rugby
Information about World Rugby's disciplinary process and decisions resulting from the international game.
I can't believe that anyone on the Fern still doesn't know this.
These guidelines apply to all processes, so even in case of disciplanry proceedings taking place after offending in a game that falls under the Six Nations or SANZAAR rather than World Rugby.
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@Stargazer said in Rugby World Cup news:
@canefan said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby World Cup news:
so, farrell got 4 weeks and will miss a couple of englands RWC games
A common apologist argument online is that the panel is independent so the IRB have no control. I can't believe that is the case, surely they have the power to set the parameters of how these panels operate, and give guidance re-decisions (not case by case, but they must set some guidelines). All the outrage could have been avoided if the panel had done the right thing in the first place. Another own goal from the drop kicks at World Rugby.
It's not an apologist argument. The panel is independent.
The guidance is in Regulation 17, which is clearly explained here.
Discipline | World Rugby
Information about World Rugby's disciplinary process and decisions resulting from the international game.
I can't believe that anyone on the Fern still doesn't know this.
These guidelines apply to all processes, so even in case of disciplanry proceedings taking place after offending in a game that falls under the Six Nations or SANZAAR rather than World Rugby.
Well something reeks about that initial decision, independent or not
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@Stargazer you're right that the panel is independent, but @canefan is right that this mess could have been avoided if the panel had done their job properly first time around (or, even better, if Farrell had decided not to be a grub in the first place)
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@Stargazer I think WR do have some responsibility, because this is not a one-off aberration. This process regularly hands out inconsistent / opaque / nonsense findings, which says something is very broken. The panel should be independent, but WR need to fix the process they operate under.
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@Stargazer said in Rugby World Cup news:
@canefan I agree, but I don't think anyone can blame World Rugby for that, unless they missed "something" in the appointment process of the judiciary panels.
yeah, when i say i worry something corrupt went on, i only mean with the individuals on that panel, not WR in general...and even that feels slightly tin foil hat...but i just cant see how they got where they got
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@Kiwiwomble said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Stargazer said in Rugby World Cup news:
@canefan I agree, but I don't think anyone can blame World Rugby for that, unless they missed "something" in the appointment process of the judiciary panels.
yeah, when i say i worry something corrupt went on, i only mean with the individuals on that panel, not WR in general...and even that feels slightly tin foil hat...but i just cant see how they got where they got
I don't think it's tin foil hat at all, seems like the most sensible conclusion.
I'm not suggesting full blown, brown-paper-bags-stuffed-with-banknotes corruption. More a case of soft corruption, bending the rules to help your mates out - probably combined with being starstruck by a KC who's providing all the words they need to justify it to themselves.
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@Snowy said in Rugby World Cup news:
@nzzp said in Rugby World Cup news:
Someone on here (Snowy?) wound up being assumed to be a serial killer with bodies in the basement.
Assumed? The only reason I'm not locked up is Owen's first judiciary heard my case.
bloody hell you've kept a low profile. Enjoying the lawlessness around North Auckland are ya
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@nzzp said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Snowy said in Rugby World Cup news:
@nzzp said in Rugby World Cup news:
Someone on here (Snowy?) wound up being assumed to be a serial killer with bodies in the basement.
Assumed? The only reason I'm not locked up is Owen's first judiciary heard my case.
bloody hell you've kept a low profile. Enjoying the lawlessness around North Auckland are ya
Lots of people who might not be missed for ages I'd expect....
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@nzzp said in Rugby World Cup news:
bloody hell you've kept a low profile. Enjoying the lawlessness around North Auckland are ya
Have to keep a low profile in case things follow the same course as a red card. Guilty (card), not guilty (good lawyer / shit jury), case reopened...random sanction.
I'm too bloody grumpy these days to contribute much but severed heads anyway. A bit like Owen in that respect too.
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Moala's appeal has been dismissed. So still the 5-week suspension.
The games he has missed/will still miss:
Tonga v Canada – 15 August, 2023
Clermont Auvergne v Perpignan – 26 August, 2023
Ireland v Tonga – 16 September, 2023
Scotland v Tonga – 24 September, 2023
South Africa v Tonga – 1 October, 2023
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@Stargazer said in Rugby World Cup news:
Moala's appeal has been dismissed. So still the 5-week suspension.
The games he has missed/will still miss:
Tonga v Canada – 15 August, 2023
Clermont Auvergne v Perpignan – 26 August, 2023
Ireland v Tonga – 16 September, 2023
Scotland v Tonga – 24 September, 2023
South Africa v Tonga – 1 October, 2023
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Fucking disgrace
And I would gladly say that to both faces of each person of the committee which came to that conclusion
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@MiketheSnow said in Rugby World Cup news:
@Stargazer said in Rugby World Cup news:
Moala's appeal has been dismissed. So still the 5-week suspension.
The games he has missed/will still miss:
Tonga v Canada – 15 August, 2023
Clermont Auvergne v Perpignan – 26 August, 2023
Ireland v Tonga – 16 September, 2023
Scotland v Tonga – 24 September, 2023
South Africa v Tonga – 1 October, 2023
Latest News | World Rugby
The latest World Rugby news, including about the World Rankings, Tournaments, Player Welfare and the Laws of the Game
Fucking disgrace
And I would gladly say that to both faces of each person of the committee which came to that conclusion
Clearly the outrage level is not high enough to pressure them into a change
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