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@SouthernMann said in NZ Politics:
Not a labour fanboy. But vote for them purely for selfish reasons. Her position is untenable. It is up there with Darren Hughes' departure a number of years ago. She won't be back in parliament.
Darren Hughes works for labour in the Uk , having a terrified teenage boy run naked from your house at 3 am is apparently not the big deal you’d think it is.
Last week I said law and order would probably cost labour the election now the justice minister has driven drunk, hit a park car, left the scene and resisted arrest . Nothing could sum up the incompetent tragicomic farce that is our government more than that.
All we need now to complete the picture is the Downfall parody video where Hipkins gets the call at 1 am .
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@MN5 said in NZ Politics:
@Frank said in NZ Politics:
God damn media spin that Kiri Allan was not in a good mental space.
Laughable.I’ll remember to use that defence next time I want to break the law
Quote that and a tough upbringing and the worst you'll get is home detention...
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Timing couldn’t be worse for Labour, PIJF ran out yesterday and even Stuff has a an article that goes into forensic detail about the crash . Even better it happened on Monday morning so it can drag on all week, the question over to what degree she resisted arrest should be worth a few thousand clicks alone .
Ginny Anderson now has police and justice. Deborah Russell overlooked yet again, nice to see her publicly humiliated again after her behaviour towards women making submissions over the self Id bill.
Oh and David Parker want out of his job because Hipkins wouldn’t tax us more.
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@booboo said in NZ Politics:
I think there may have been some exaggeration...
... heard report that it was failure to accompany a police officer, not resisting arrest, and careless not reckless and dangerous.
But either way deserved exit.
Im not a cop or a lawyer so I’d be interested to know how failure to not accompany a police officer is not resisting arrest? She was over the limit and driving like a lunatic too, is that not reckless and dangerous?
Since she returned to work it’s come out she was coaching new mps on how to avoid the FOIA , bullying staff and accusing red radio of not giving her partner a promotion because they are racists. It wasn’t that long ago she was touted as a future pm .
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This was the story today that didn’t get traction due to Kiri Allen .
Lobbying effectively unregulated in NZ and a Transparency International set up a secret group of lobbyists to advise them on ethics . You couldn’t make this up.
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@paremata said in NZ Politics:
Timing couldn’t be worse for Labour, PIJF ran out yesterday and even Stuff has a an article that goes into forensic detail about the crash . Even better it happened on Monday morning so it can drag on all week, the question over to what degree she resisted arrest should be worth a few thousand clicks alone .
Ginny Anderson now has police and justice. Deborah Russell overlooked yet again, nice to see her publicly humiliated again after her behaviour towards women making submissions over the self Id bill.
Oh and David Parker want out of his job because Hipkins wouldn’t tax us more.
Weird angle on the PIJF. Plenty of media have done reporting critical of central government and govt departments under the label of PIJF. No one should be answering questions about her conduct around the arrest. The matter is under investigation and should not be played out publicly.
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@SouthernMann said in NZ Politics:
@paremata said in NZ Politics:
Timing couldn’t be worse for Labour, PIJF ran out yesterday and even Stuff has a an article that goes into forensic detail about the crash . Even better it happened on Monday morning so it can drag on all week, the question over to what degree she resisted arrest should be worth a few thousand clicks alone .
Ginny Anderson now has police and justice. Deborah Russell overlooked yet again, nice to see her publicly humiliated again after her behaviour towards women making submissions over the self Id bill.
Oh and David Parker want out of his job because Hipkins wouldn’t tax us more.
Weird angle on the PIJF. Plenty of media have done reporting critical of central government and govt departments under the label of PIJF. No one should be answering questions about her conduct around the arrest. The matter is under investigation and should not be played out publicly.
Really? Why else have they continually pulled their punches around labour’s shambolic governance and stories like the rapist in the pms office or the Shield Snorters flood response and given us endless stories about Arderns latest relatable parenting moment or the crappy birthday cakes she baked for Neve .
In contrast Todd Muller bought home a maga hat and a Clinton pin from the 2016 election because he’s a politics nerd , I doubt any labour mp in this government has had to put up with this crap. This is just a selection
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I could find plenty of examples, but I can't be fucked. But off the top of my head Stuart Nash, focuses on Oranga Tamariki, criticism of the cyclone response is ongoing. Your arguments are quite poor and ill-informed. Jack Tame regularly walks all over politicians from both sides of the house on his Sunday show funded by the PIJF. If you can't find stories critical of government ministers or government departments you are not looking hard enough.
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@paremata said in NZ Politics:
@booboo said in NZ Politics:
I think there may have been some exaggeration...
... heard report that it was failure to accompany a police officer, not resisting arrest, and careless not reckless and dangerous.
But either way deserved exit.
Im not a cop or a lawyer so I’d be interested to know how failure to not accompany a police officer is not resisting arrest? She was over the limit and driving like a lunatic too, is that not reckless and dangerous?
Since she returned to work it’s come out she was coaching new mps on how to avoid the FOIA , bullying staff and accusing red radio of not giving her partner a promotion because they are racists. It wasn’t that long ago she was touted as a future pm .
Please don't take this as any excuse for her, but to resist arrest you have to be under arrest. Was she?
Or was she just "required to accompany (officer) to (Wellington police station) or other such place for the purpose of an evidential breath test or blood test or both..."? (Seems you don't watch enough Police Tinsivin or Motorway Patrol ...)
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@SouthernMann said in NZ Politics:
I could find plenty of examples, but I can't be fucked. But off the top of my head Stuart Nash, focuses on Oranga Tamariki, criticism of the cyclone response is ongoing. Your arguments are quite poor and ill-informed. Jack Tame regularly walks all over politicians from both sides of the house on his Sunday show funded by the PIJF. If you can't find stories critical of government ministers or government departments you are not looking hard enough.
Here’s the criteria for PIJF funding , to get funding you have to agree to explaining the governments view of co governance. If you breach it it’s basically a loan you’ll pay back as a penalty. You don’t think that a vaguely worded agreement like that with financial penalties doesn’t have an effect on editorial practices ?
You mean Jack Tame who criticised Shane Reti for going out with ambos see the state of the health system ? ffs
If you don’t think our media is heavily biased in one direction I really don’t know what it would take to change your mind . It might be a touch less than when Ardern was pm but by their own admission when surveyed the vast majority of our journalists described their own politics as left leaning .
One last point , the younger journalists in particular see National as the antipodean version of the Republican Party and have extensively covered Luxon and Simeon Browns religious leanings and their thoughts on abortion. Can you honestly tell me they’ve given the same amount of attention to the likes of Mahuta who also voted against late stage abortion? If not why?
I’m sure Ardern misses the media constantly holding her feet to the fire with this sort of hard hitting commentary
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@booboo said in NZ Politics:
careless not reckless and dangerous
the way that works in NZ, most accidents you have that police are notified of or attend, is likely to get a Careless Use charge (rear end someone, fail to give way) next up is Dangerous Driving, so you were driving a bit fast or on your phone...Reckless is top end, and tougher to prove, as it basically means you have done what you did, knowing full well the likely consequences (e.g doing 150km/h+, doing donuts etc) and would mean your insurer wont pay your claim (assuming you were sober)
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@paremata said in NZ Politics:
@SouthernMann said in NZ Politics:
I could find plenty of examples, but I can't be fucked. But off the top of my head Stuart Nash, focuses on Oranga Tamariki, criticism of the cyclone response is ongoing. Your arguments are quite poor and ill-informed. Jack Tame regularly walks all over politicians from both sides of the house on his Sunday show funded by the PIJF. If you can't find stories critical of government ministers or government departments you are not looking hard enough.
Here’s the criteria for PIJF funding , to get funding you have to agree to explaining the governments view of co governance. If you breach it it’s basically a loan you’ll pay back as a penalty. You don’t think that a vaguely worded agreement like that with financial penalties doesn’t have an effect on editorial practices ?
You mean Jack Tame who criticised Shane Reti for going out with ambos see the state of the health system ? ffs
If you don’t think our media is heavily biased in one direction I really don’t know what it would take to change your mind . It might be a touch less than when Ardern was pm but by their own admission when surveyed the vast majority of our journalists described their own politics as left leaning .
One last point , the younger journalists in particular see National as the antipodean version of the Republican Party and have extensively covered Luxon and Simeon Browns religious leanings and their thoughts on abortion. Can you honestly tell me they’ve given the same amount of attention to the likes of Mahuta who also voted against late stage abortion? If not why?
I’m sure Ardern misses the media constantly holding her feet to the fire with this sort of hard hitting commentary
Ok. Let's rip through some key points. I'm hoping this is the last I have to respond on this, as my forehead is getting sore banging against the brick wall.
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Co-governance. I can't find what you are talking about. What it does indicate is that there are obligations under the Treat of Waitangi. This is found under the heading; New Zealand Identify and public interest requirements. Which should not be confused with aligning to government purposes and direction.
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Editorial practises. The PIJF is funded for projects and certain roles, not as a blanket approach for editorial decision making. Does NZME receiving it force Mike Hosking, Heather du Plessis-Allan or Jamie McKay to run a left wing narrative just because it received some funding. No.
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Jack Tame goes after either side. In the same episode he went after the Kelvin Davis. To me the questions on Reti should have been directed towards St John. As a charity it makes some very odd lobbying decisions. Its independence allows it. It was clear this was a lobbying exercise from the national emergency health provider to a likely incoming Health Minister. Its charitable status allows it to play stupid games like that.
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Our media on the whole is fair and balanced. Poor decision making is gone after whether it is done by the left or the right. The grunt reporters are generally young, this is because it is a fairly poorly paid industry. A huge chunk are out of the game by the time they are 30.
Interestingly you cited an article on lobbying written by RNZ our one true public interest, government funded media organisation.
Our media is a long way from perfect. Our regional newspapers have been hammered. We are struggling to get a good understanding of local decisions, court reporting has died apart from the big cases. We need to have a good and useful media. However, it is not a bought and paid for service.
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@SouthernMann said in NZ Politics:
- Our media on the whole is fair and balanced.
If fair = woke and balanced = left leaning then yes - well on point there.
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@Windows97
I would not categorize Newstalk ZB, Stuff or Granny Herald as in any way politically left leaning.Not sure about the TV stations as I seldom see their news content, but I find it hard to believe that they have any real bias.
Care to share some examples?
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