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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
I’m fairly confident they’re allowed to shoot someone if they’re not complying and advancing at them armed with……well pretty much anything.
But ( possibly off topic ) fuck having to be in that situation and having to make that call knowing you’re in a lose/lose situation like that.
I remember when that bloke was shot in Waitara 20 odd years and his feral family were interviewed and whinged that he was “only armed with a golf club”
I believe you're missing the point. Call comes in about someone armed with a golf club - on the face of it, that's a fuckload different than someone armed with a gun and first responders may be able to contain the situation, even if not trained in tactical firearms response. If there's a firearm involved, they're probably not going to go rushing in and likely have to wait until trained units are available.
Case by case basis…..the response time in central Auckland is likely to be a tad quicker than Aramoana/Waitara/Eastbourne etc. then again a golf club to the head will kill you just as surely as a bullet.
Not really something us amateurs are really qualified to discuss though. It is fascinating to hear cops yarns from the frontline though. The old cliche of better work stories is so accurate
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
a golf club to the head will kill you just as surely as a bullet
I'd feel a lot safer if I had a gun and was standing twenty metres away from someone with a golf club, than I would if they had a gun.
If I was trying to hit someone with a golf club, they'd be reasonably safe judging by my gameplay.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
a golf club to the head will kill you just as surely as a bullet
I'd feel a lot safer if I had a gun and was standing twenty metres away from someone with a golf club, than I would if they had a gun.
If I was trying to hit someone with a golf club, they'd be reasonably safe judging by my gameplay.
You should have been Mrs Wallaces defence lawyer
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@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
It is fascinating to hear cops yarns from the frontline though
The old man was one of the first official police photographers in Welly and in forensics too, which back then was just fingerprints. Some good tales. Wahine was grim.
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@Windows97 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
Believing a gun register will stop incidents like this is about the same as believing having cars registered is going to stop drunk driving and speeding...
Not quite sure of the point I'm about to make here.
I think it's around the hysteria about guns.
But today, not far south of here in Gympie some fucked up domestically violent fluffybunny stole a car at knifepoint, and ended up murdering his (former) partner, an apparent good Samaritan giving her a ride, and an innocent driver of another vehicle.
Triple murder and the fluffybunny is alive.
Murder weapon is a vehicle.
Has that made news over there?
Edit: Alledgedly
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@Old-Samurai-Jack always use your pitching wedge, shorter and heavier than a driver...
Who's to say how anyone would react in these situations, you can train all you like for these things, but until you are confronted with someone actually wanting to kill you, I expect you wont really know...
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@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
I’m fairly confident they’re allowed to shoot someone if they’re not complying and advancing at them armed with……well pretty much anything.
But ( possibly off topic ) fuck having to be in that situation and having to make that call knowing you’re in a lose/lose situation like that.
I remember when that bloke was shot in Waitara 20 odd years and his feral family were interviewed and whinged that he was “only armed with a golf club”
I believe you're missing the point. Call comes in about someone armed with a golf club - on the face of it, that's a fuckload different than someone armed with a gun and first responders may be able to contain the situation, even if not trained in tactical firearms response. If there's a firearm involved, they're probably not going to go rushing in and likely have to wait until trained units are available.
I've never been a cop, let alone one in New Zealand. But common sense dictates to me that being made aware you have a potentially armed offender, the first GD cops to arrive would be trying to secure the scene, ensure public safety, rendering aid where possible and gaining intel.
Having said that, 11 minutes is a long time in the CBD.
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Almost forgot , the exact same thing happened last year. This pos had a bracelet on after taking part in a hotel lobby. Killed his ex and her dad , he was out because he had a “hard upbringing”
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@antipodean said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Donsteppa said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Hooroo said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@Bones said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
All Police have firearms in their vehicles.
I've got a bottle of oil in my boot, doesn't mean I'm a mechanic.
Yeah because they just put the guns in there with no training….
If I may borrow some of that sarcasm - I see there's an armed offenders squad, what's the need for that if every cop has the training?
Presumably there's a middle ground, as there's little need for access to firearms if the only option is to wait until the specialists.
I'm sure there is, but a police firearms response to someone with a knife is different to a response to someone with a gun I imagine. Or are NZ cops only allowed to use a firearm in response to someone with a firearm?
I’m fairly confident they’re allowed to shoot someone if they’re not complying and advancing at them armed with……well pretty much anything.
But ( possibly off topic ) fuck having to be in that situation and having to make that call knowing you’re in a lose/lose situation like that.
I remember when that bloke was shot in Waitara 20 odd years and his feral family were interviewed and whinged that he was “only armed with a golf club”
I believe you're missing the point. Call comes in about someone armed with a golf club - on the face of it, that's a fuckload different than someone armed with a gun and first responders may be able to contain the situation, even if not trained in tactical firearms response. If there's a firearm involved, they're probably not going to go rushing in and likely have to wait until trained units are available.
I've never been a cop, let alone one in New Zealand. But common sense dictates to me that being made aware you have a potentially armed offender, the first GD cops to arrive would be trying to secure the scene, ensure public safety, rendering aid where possible and gaining intel.
Having said that, 11 minutes is a long time in the CBD.
Comes down to a question of resources. I know NZ had a certain number of cops they wanted to employ by a certain time but I’m fairly sure this was offset by the older heads burning out and leaving in droves.
Some cops these days literally look like teenagers. It’s quite startling.
As for AOS guys I think it was @aucklandwarlord writing on here some years back that they’re a bit of a different breed compared to other police.
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@MN5 still, I expect AOS are often on regular duty also while on call for AOS, unsure of regulations around where they live vs thier 'base' like in some emergency response units, like a guy I knew who was a pilot of the Rescue chopper here, he had to live within 10km of the base to ensure they knew what response times would be.
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@paremata said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
Almost forgot , the exact same thing happened last year. This pos had a bracelet on after taking part in a hotel lobby. Killed his ex and her dad , he was out because he had a “hard upbringing”
I do sympathise with people who have had a shit upbringing to some extent. Ferals breed ferals after all.
But I certainly feel safer if these shitstains are in jail as opposed to EM Bail.
It’s very noticeable when I travel to Levin for work, I can pretty much guarantee I’ll see at least one, these fuckwits wear shorts on a cold day just to show the bracelets off !
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@taniwharugby said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@MN5 still, I expect AOS are often on regular duty also while on call for AOS, unsure of regulations around where they live vs thier 'base' like in some emergency response units, like a guy I knew who was a pilot of the Rescue chopper here, he had to live within 10km of the base to ensure they knew what response times would be.
Yeah a mate of a mate was deployed REALLY quick from Christchurch when Aramoana went down. Second hand story but basically he was raced to the helicopter in minutes while changing into his gear in the car. I’m assuming he lived close too.
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@paremata Again the guidelines have to be called into question. If you acknowledge that someone is violent and has been for all of his adult life, that to me would stipulate custody.
Puata-Chaney was sentenced earlier this month to three years and five months’ imprisonment for the Sofitel incident, with the judge noting his lesser role in the shooting and his difficult upbringing. His mother was closely linked to Black Power and his father was a member of the Head Hunters, the judge noted, adding that the defendant left school at age 13 “and instead received an education in violence”.
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@antipodean said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@paremata Again the guidelines have to be called into question. If you acknowledge that someone is violent and has been for all of his adult life, that to me would stipulate custody.
Puata-Chaney was sentenced earlier this month to three years and five months’ imprisonment for the Sofitel incident, with the judge noting his lesser role in the shooting and his difficult upbringing. His mother was closely linked to Black Power and his father was a member of the Head Hunters, the judge noted, adding that the defendant left school at age 13 “and instead received an education in violence”.
“Lesser role in the shooting”
Jesus Christ. He was still there intending to cause mayhem wasn’t he ?
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@MN5 said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
As for AOS guys I think it was @aucklandwarlord writing on here some years back that they’re a bit of a different breed compared to other police.
I used to know a few guys from the NSW TRG because they were reservists at 1 CDO. They certainly seemed to be typical for adrenalin junkies.
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@antipodean said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@paremata Again the guidelines have to be called into question. If you acknowledge that someone is violent and has been for all of his adult life, that to me would stipulate custody.
Puata-Chaney was sentenced earlier this month to three years and five months’ imprisonment for the Sofitel incident, with the judge noting his lesser role in the shooting and his difficult upbringing. His mother was closely linked to Black Power and his father was a member of the Head Hunters, the judge noted, adding that the defendant left school at age 13 “and instead received an education in violence”.
My thoughts exactly. He was an obvious timebomb.
The Sofitel shooting disappeared out the news cycle surprisingly quickly from memory.
Speaking of our media, they have a really bizarre attitude to the gangs. For example Denis O'Reilly is one of their go to mouthpieces, here is whining about prejudicial treatment at the hands of the cops then admitting to taking part in multiple gang rapes. The articles from 2016 and 7 years on they still give him glowing coverage.
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@paremata said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@antipodean said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@paremata Again the guidelines have to be called into question. If you acknowledge that someone is violent and has been for all of his adult life, that to me would stipulate custody.
Puata-Chaney was sentenced earlier this month to three years and five months’ imprisonment for the Sofitel incident, with the judge noting his lesser role in the shooting and his difficult upbringing. His mother was closely linked to Black Power and his father was a member of the Head Hunters, the judge noted, adding that the defendant left school at age 13 “and instead received an education in violence”.
My thoughts exactly. He was an obvious timebomb.
The Sofitel shooting disappeared out the news cycle surprisingly quickly from memory.
Speaking of our media, they have a really bizarre attitude to the gangs. For example Denis O'Reilly is one of their go to mouthpieces, here is whining about prejudicial treatment at the hands of the cops then admitting to taking part in multiple gang rapes. The articles from 2016 and 7 years on they still give him glowing coverage.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/denis-oreilly-this-much-i-know/5F7ZJ7XIMSMT5W5QAC66XVFIGU/
Just read that article.
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@Frank said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@paremata said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@antipodean said in Shooting in Auckland CBD:
@paremata Again the guidelines have to be called into question. If you acknowledge that someone is violent and has been for all of his adult life, that to me would stipulate custody.
Puata-Chaney was sentenced earlier this month to three years and five months’ imprisonment for the Sofitel incident, with the judge noting his lesser role in the shooting and his difficult upbringing. His mother was closely linked to Black Power and his father was a member of the Head Hunters, the judge noted, adding that the defendant left school at age 13 “and instead received an education in violence”.
My thoughts exactly. He was an obvious timebomb.
The Sofitel shooting disappeared out the news cycle surprisingly quickly from memory.
Speaking of our media, they have a really bizarre attitude to the gangs. For example Denis O'Reilly is one of their go to mouthpieces, here is whining about prejudicial treatment at the hands of the cops then admitting to taking part in multiple gang rapes. The articles from 2016 and 7 years on they still give him glowing coverage.
Just read that article.
Jesus, he is one mixed-up motherf****er.He’s a pos. The media have been glorifying this gang rapist for years.
The other media go to is Harry Tam who stalked and beat his ex. He makes $100000s doing “cultural reports” that give Ferals massive discounts on their sentences which very often bring them down below 2 years and makes them eligible for home D .
Law and order plus the economy are what hopefully cost labour the election.
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