Mick Byrne joins Wallabies as skills coach

NTA

Won't help the fact we've narrowed our base to almost inbred status

rotated

As pointed out in the other thread this is the first admission Cheika is not the messiah - much like when Robbie turfed the first set of assistants - after not giving two shits who they were because his brilliance would shine through. 
I genuinely predict a big play on Brad Thorn in the coming year to bring as much AB residue as possible.

antipodean

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="599731" data-time="1469332870">Won't help the fact we've narrowed our base to almost inbred status</blockquote> I had lunch this week with a couple of mates who coach junior rugby and they both said that they've never seen the game in such a bad state.

NTA

Not really a surprise when you see the way its "organised".
 
The schools associations need to start thinking of ways to integrate, firstly at regional level i.e. within Sydney.
 
The ARU needs a program to start getting it back into schools, but there are so many legal hurdles around aspects of the game (e.g. scrums) that it won't be taken seriously.

booboo

Getting Byrne is a good result though i reckon

Unite

The depth of knowledge he would have of the All Black players and systems would be immense you would think, bit of a coup that signing. 
He mentioned in one article being on the field after the RWC final it was odd seeing some of the Aus players he had known/coached previously...going to be even more odd you would think going into the Bledisloe in a few weeks!

NTA

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The depth of knowledge he would have of the All Black players and systems would be immense you would think, bit of a coup that signing.
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Meh. Not sure that knowledge of individuals can't be figured out through the intense video analysis they get these days.

antipodean

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Unite" data-cid="599834" data-time="1469351847">The depth of knowledge he would have of the All Black players and systems would be immense you would think, bit of a coup that signing.</blockquote> I wonder if what he's been exposed to is covered by non-disclosure. Unsurprising they've brought him in, although I get the distinct feeling the technical kicking and catching isn't the issue for the Wallabies, it's the aimless kicks without a chase that's the problem. Much as their attack coach has a team playing for lineouts and mauls...

barbarian

I'm a big fan of Byrne, and think this is a great appointment. The key is his code-wide remit, hopefully will see some consistent standards seen from juniors all the way to Super Rugby.
 
I can't see anything wrong with trying to emulate the set-up and approach of the All Blacks, as they have been the rugby gold standard for the last decade. Byrne is clearly a good operator, and I'm happy he's come home!

Unite

Who has taken these duties on for the All Blacks now, I thought I read McLean has but can't find that now? 
Edit: I see that Smith and Foster are sharing the role.

rotated

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Who has taken these duties on for the All Blacks now, I thought I read McLean has but can't find that now?</blockquote>
 
Smith absorbed most of it I think, I can't find a source but I believe I heard it from Fox in a radio interview. 
McLean only does opposition recon and video work.

Siam

Well hopefully Mick can kickstart (pun:) ) Australian rugby into something not currently resembling English rugby 10 years ago in it's nadir
 
Honestly the fucken state of Australian rugby is currently horrendous (read shithouse)
 
I've no doubt whatsoever there are great rugby people in the communities (we've got a couple on here) but the leadership and public persona of Aussie rugby has me comparing it to English rugby when they were fuckwits
 
No enterprising back play from a country that had back play as a major strength
 
An over reliance on a lineout driven rolling maul
 
Scrums being used not to restart play for a corker backline move, but rather to draw in penalties
 
Whinging coaches ala Dwyer and Larkhams performance on Friday night was about the biggest rugby sook ever - What the fuck were you going to do with the scrum penalties you were denied Steve? Pack down another cunting scrum??!!
 
Whining moaning commentators calling everyone else cheats
 
Whining, booing crowds with a false sense of importance - on Friday, it was a measly fucken forward pass, not a declaration of a worldwide tweed shortage!
 
Whinging captains - fuck when the very guy you're trying to win over tells you to stop being a dick, well you've probably adopted a less than optimal approach to the whole thing
 
Snide belittling TV marketing for the June tests - it's ok if you win though eh?
 
Seriously I actually feel for the rugby people in Aus because the exposure I'm getting here in heartland AFL is one big disappointment/whinge/ lack of skills and pace (and space), which all suggests that the leaders and promotors of the game have gone awol
 
Good luck Mick, the goodship ARU is listing badly and it's at the point where it's hard to see any favourable actions or stories at the moment
 
 
 
rant over, genuine frustration for the Aus rugby people though

kiwiinmelb

Sometimes these types of moves can come in handy for revealing secrets about the opposition for match day planning , at club level anyway, For an ex AFL bloke he really did develop into a good rugby brain , never heard a lot from him when involved with the ABs, but have seen a bit of him on the Aus rugby shows since , enjoyed listening to his insight .

NTA

Byrne played rugby and league in his younger years - came from Brisbane.

Duluth

Strange that the press release didn't mention his two years with the Blues..
 
It's a good signing by the Aussies, however it is worth noting where his success came. He did very well expanding the skillset of already world class players. When he worked with a fundamentally flawed team the players went backwards.

kiwiinmelb

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="599906" data-time="1469401422">Byrne played rugby and league in his younger years - came from Brisbane.</blockquote> Ok wasnt aware of that , makes sense

barbarian

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<div> Good luck Mick, the goodship ARU is listing badly and it's at the point where it's hard to see any favourable actions or stories at the moment
 
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Can't say I agree with a lot of this. Aus rugby/ARU can be an easy target here, and it's understandable you Kiwis love a pile-on from time to time. And who am I to get in the way of that?
 
And I am a bit of an optimist, so take this with a grain of salt if you wish.
 
In many ways, Aussie Rugby is in the best position it's been in for a while. Taking away Super results (which will peak and trough every few years), we've got a $$$ windfall from TV and a successful England tour, a genuine third-tier comp that is growing (NRC), a better approach to junior pathways and a fairly decent 5-year plan to grow the game here.
 
The England series was a huge disappointment, obviously. All three games were belters, and we just weren't good enough. My gut feeling is we would have run through Wales/Ireland/France, but came up against the best NH side around and they were fired up to beat us. But sadly we weren't up for it.
 
The outlook on the field isn't that much rosier, with the Bled very unlikely with two away games. But if we can finish second in the RC and unearth some new talent (eg DHP) then all is not lost.
 
Ultimately there is two sides to every story. You raise some valid points Siam but to me it's not at all that bad.

mariner4life

I understand your optimism barb, but not sure i agree north of the border. The QRU is broke, and shedding staff. Their growth in the country areas has stagnated, and they have no way of doing anything about it. They are putting an extra surcharge on every registered player to try and boost their coffers, which makes subs in country Qld a pretty strong barrier to player growth (especially with competition from League clubs boosted by local pokie money). Reds membership is almost directly tied to success on the field, and i am sure i have been told it is dwindling again after the highs of 2011. Corporate interest in the Reds is a fickle beast as well, and with the Broncos eating up a big part of the pie, the Roar taking a bit more, and the Reds being a shambles, they are struggling to attract financial backing (lucky for them the Lions suck). 
 
Aussies love a winner, and it's going to take a good RC season to get rugby back in the good books of the general public, especially if the Olympics go well. 
 
If Qld is battling, then to me Australian rugby is battling.

barbarian

Yeah those are fair point Mariner.
 
My response would be the Reds have been shambolic before, and come out of it. Arguably they were a shambles for most of the 2000s, actually. With QC probably coming back and some good young talent (and old talent like George Smith) and there is a light at the end of the tunnel.
 
The player drain at grassroots is the biggest problem across the country. A big part of it is just societal change, with the move away from contact sport and your traditional team sports. Not sure how the ARU can fight that.

mariner4life

I am sure they will come out of it, but no one has said that the current state of Aus rugby is terminal. I just think it is at a low point at the moment, with domestic success pretty scarce, a 3rd tier trying to get off the ground (yes it gets better every year, but it's not a main stay yet, and ignored by a lot of the country), and coming off a horrible June series, where there were losses, some uninspiring play, and finally a bit of criticism of the way Fox Sports markets rugby in this country. 
 
I am sure Aus will come out of it well though. They are still a big rugby nation, they are still an international draw card, and it's only 10 months since a credible World Cup campaign. There isn't a shortage of money in this country, and money always helps. 
 
A better focus on elite player development will help this though, as in this country you really can grow the game from the top down. 
 
 
That doesn't involve spending shit loads on league wingers though, that's decision making by marketers.

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Mick Byrne joins Wallabies as skills coach