Aussie Community Rugby
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
seems over kill and i just cant believe every kiwi that comes over does it
Yeah it becomes a case of "don't ask, don't tell". Our comp is fully amateur so they want to be sure it isn't some kind of dodgy setup
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA have you had to get international clearance for a player?
we have loads of player from overseas but for some reason we've got to get clearance for a new guys thats just rocked up, highest level he's played is 1stXV club in ireland so hes not professional or anything...i have to get his club and then the irish union to sign off before lodging with Rugby Vic
seems over kill and i just cant believe every kiwi that comes over does it
Even years ago a young fella I knew was in Italy as exchange student, and had to get clearance from NZR so he could play. Seem your lot are rightly being cautious!
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Fuck me I hate the judiciary system.
We got a red card, which was a surprise to everyone.
Now, to prove the ref wrong, I have to get a pile of stat decs from witnesses by Wednesday in time for the hearing.
My guys don't work offices or even have PCs at home to print shit out or scan it. Our catchment is basically this:
How the fuck are they going to get a statement together, witness in front of a JP - because everyone has a day job - and back to us before the hearing?
Fuck me I'm done with this shit.
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@voodoo said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
Fuck me I hate the judiciary system.
We got a red card, which was a surprise to everyone.
Now, to prove the ref wrong, I have to get a pile of stat decs from witnesses by Wednesday in time for the hearing.
My guys don't work offices or even have PCs at home to print shit out or scan it. Our catchment is basically this:
How the fuck are they going to get a statement together, witness in front of a JP - because everyone has a day job - and back to us before the hearing?
Fuck me I'm done with this shit.
I drove through this area once (I was lost) and can confirm that there are no pc's or printers anywhere.
Regards
Were you on the way to a smartass convention?
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@voodoo said in Aussie Rugby:
@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
Fuck me I hate the judiciary system.
We got a red card, which was a surprise to everyone.
Now, to prove the ref wrong, I have to get a pile of stat decs from witnesses by Wednesday in time for the hearing.
My guys don't work offices or even have PCs at home to print shit out or scan it. Our catchment is basically this:
How the fuck are they going to get a statement together, witness in front of a JP - because everyone has a day job - and back to us before the hearing?
Fuck me I'm done with this shit.
I drove through this area once (I was lost) and can confirm that there are no pc's or printers anywhere.
Regards
Were you on the way to a smartass convention?
Quite possibly
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
Fuck me I hate the judiciary system.
We got a red card, which was a surprise to everyone.
Now, to prove the ref wrong, I have to get a pile of stat decs from witnesses by Wednesday in time for the hearing.
My guys don't work offices or even have PCs at home to print shit out or scan it. Our catchment is basically this:
How the fuck are they going to get a statement together, witness in front of a JP - because everyone has a day job - and back to us before the hearing?
Fuck me I'm done with this shit.
thats shit, with the 4 week fiasco i went through last month....they didn;t require stat decs, just accepted email statements, and after the first hearing we were allowed to arrange zoom calls for everyone
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@Kiwiwomble said in Aussie Rugby:
thats shit, with the 4 week fiasco i went through last month....they didn;t require stat decs, just accepted email statements, and after the first hearing we were allowed to arrange zoom calls for everyone
Sensible.
I reckon a basic video statement, provided the interviewee shows their photo identification at the start, should be enough
This isn't the fucking 1800s.
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So, got 2 stat decs in the end (one from the accused, the other from a bystander), and went into Judiciary last night.
Entry level for headbutt is 6 weeks. Got it down to 2. Feels sort of like a win but not fucking really just because he never headbutted the guy but the ref's word is final.
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@NTA I know how you feel as years ago I had almost a season ticket at the Judicial Sub Committee hearings of the Wellington RFU for a year or so and sometimes the referees reports were not exactly close to what I saw my boys allegedly do. I invariably had to bite my tongue as Club Officials have to be seen supporting and backing referees and just had to accept what their reports said were gospel (when often they weren't). In those days the minimum penalty was always three weeks (for a send off or after three yellow cards) no matter what so after taking showing support for the referee into the equation, there was little point in putting up a spirited defence as it would make no difference whatsoever to the standard three weeks stand down.
I did have a couple of minor victories (three or four weeks instead of the expected six weeks) for some more serious offences with some astute, but not referee bashing, defences though. -
@GibbonRib said in Aussie Rugby:
Bit late now, but what did the other team have to say about it? I'd have hoped that the phantom-headbuttee would be willing to vouch that it didn't happen
They don't do judiciary to that level. Refs report. Red card recipient attends with a club official.
Also: the guy who supposedly got the "headbutt" yelled out my player was a "fat fluffybunny" and a "pig" so I'm not expecting him to submit a stat dec in our favour.
Plus I cited the fluffybunny after the first grade game for kicking our captain - clear as day on the video - so not expecting him to help at that point 🤣
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@Higgins said in Aussie Rugby:
there was little point in putting up a spirited defence as it would make no difference whatsoever to the standard three weeks stand down.
Yep. Refs are God. Short of conclusive video evidence to the contrary, you're fuct
I did have a couple of minor victories
I managed to get two red cards down to a week. Both dissent. One was even time served as it happened 3 minutes in.
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
@Higgins said in Aussie Rugby:
there was little point in putting up a spirited defence as it would make no difference whatsoever to the standard three weeks stand down.
Yep. Refs are God. Short of conclusive video evidence to the contrary, you're fuct
I did have a couple of minor victories
I managed to get two red cards down to a week. Both dissent. One was even time served as it happened 3 minutes in.
Talking to a mate in team I used to manage over here 20 odd years ago. Just after I moved to Aus he had got a red card for supposedly punching someone. Thing was I had a fella I had worked with was into video stuff and I had him videoing all our games, was still doing it after I left, and mate got off because of video. He asked the judiciary if he could get a formal apology as his family were all there when he red carded. No go on that , but he said he wante to make point etc.
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@Dan54 asking referees to admit they're wrong is like searching for a unicorn. 😉
I've put in adverse reports for referees before and at least got a measure of understanding. One guy even quit this season because I pointed out he was just plain rude to my players, and the refs coordinator had a chat to him about it.
It comes down to referees being thin on the ground, much like everything else in rugby.
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@NTA yeah is always alot of chirping at refs and TJ at club level, nothing nasty (that I have witnessed) but the constant comments about what they miss from people watching, subs, players, little wonder they are struggling with numbers, and then obviously the quality of refs from a smaller pool...
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@NTA said in Aussie Rugby:
Fuck me I hate the judiciary system.
We got a red card, which was a surprise to everyone.
Now, to prove the ref wrong, I have to get a pile of stat decs from witnesses by Wednesday in time for the hearing.
Stat decs for a kangaroo court. Fuck this game has its head up its arse at times.
