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<p>Still pondering what may be wrong with Julian Savea. It doesn't seem to be his fitness and the effort he puts in, going by the comments from Boyd (and Hansen in June).</p>
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<p>Confidence is certainly low, but that seems more a result than the initial cause. Mental health issues? Other health issues? My partner, who is a health professional, was thinking out loud the other day and said he looked like someone with a thyroid problem (causes weight problems, makes you sluggish and can cause depression, to name a few symptoms). We may never find out; just hope he gets the support he needs (regardless of whether they keep him in the AB squad). Mental health is certainly not the NZRU's strong point.</p> -
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<p>Still pondering what may be wrong with Julian Savea. It doesn't seem to be his fitness and the effort he puts in, going by the comments from Boyd (and Hansen in June).</p>
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<p>Confidence is certainly low, but that seems more a result than the initial cause. Mental health issues? Other health issues? My partner, who is a health professional, was thinking out loud the other day and said he looked like someone with a thyroid problem (causes weight problems, makes you sluggish and can cause depression, to name a few symptoms). We may never find out; just hope he gets the support he needs (regardless of whether they keep him in the AB squad). <strong>Mental health is certainly not the NZRU's strong point.</strong></p>
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<p>Why do you say that?</p> -
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<p>Why do you say that?</p>
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<p>Yeah, if anything I think the AB have mental support far more so than other levels. NZRFU don't have a reputation for flogging players, and they get proper time off with concussions, etc. Even when he has had issues, it has been dealt with behind closed doors as much as possible - dropping him for the second Wales test was done effectively and without throwing him under the bus (excuse the bad dad joke)</p> -
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<p>Why do you say that?</p>
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<p>Yeah, if anything I think the AB have mental support far more so than other levels. NZRFU don't have a reputation for flogging players, and they get proper time off with concussions, etc. Even when he has had issues, it has been dealt with behind closed doors as much as possible - dropping him for the second Wales test was done effectively and without throwing him under the bus (excuse the bad dad joke)</p>
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<p>Guildford is one recent example. It took a very long time to find out what was wrong with him and to help him, because - if I'm correct - they used a mental skills coach instead of a specialist.</p>
<p>Punishment (for example, suspensions & making him apologise in front of the media) is also not the way to address the behavioural problems resulting from his condition, something only the Waratahs management seems to have understood thus far (it's more likely to aggravate low self-esteem).</p>
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<p>I don't want to discuss individuals though. My comment wasn't meant as a strong criticism of the NZRU, merely an observation. Mental health problems are more difficult to recognise/diagnose and treat than physical health problems, and certainly not among the first things a sports organisation was used to recognise until maybe the last few years. Patients are often the last to recognise and, especially, accept that they have mental health issues. There's also a stigma due to part of the media & public being uninformed, inconsiderate bullies. </p>
<p>Mental health issues need to be carefully managed and that may in some cases be beyond the skill set/training of a mental skills coach. </p>
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<p>But maybe they've learned and is all the "we don't know what's wrong with him" kind of speech from Boyd and Hansen just a way of keeping the media at a distance from Julian Savea's case, while they work with him in the background, away from the public eye. That would be the proper way to deal with any kind of issues he may have (whether of a mental health character or not).</p>
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<p>Concussion isn't a mental health issue btw, eventhough it affects the brain.</p> -
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<p><strong>Lowe looks like a terrorist muppet at the moment with his beard</strong>, but is he doing anything wrong on the field? He seems to be playing as well as any other left winger in New Zealand.</p>
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<p>If it was, Ardie wouldn't be in the squad.</p>
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<p>Fuck me, can you even leave the house these days? You'll be seeing potential terrorists every 5 metres. ;)</p> -
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<p>Fuck me, can you even leave the house these days? You'll be seeing potential terrorists every 5 metres. ;)</p>
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<p>I bet there's a few posters who will breath easier once they deport that muslim scoundrel Sonny Bill Williams, and not a moment too soon</p> -
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<p>I suspect the issue most people had with Jane was that he was neither a massive Islander nor a speed merchant a la Howlett. Could also be that many hadn't seen him play regularly for the Canes. Lowe is a decent enough player, but is he really comparable to Jane? Jane did some pretty amazing shit for the Canes.</p>
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<p>For some reason the Hurricanes has long been a favorite team of mine and I have been delighted over and over again watching the skill and guile of Corey Jane and Conrad Smith sneak under the radar. <em>(The Hurricanes did have an annoying habit of losing the first game in every season when I had the rent money, the childrens' school fees and the car repayments riding on them. Year after year! Grrrr.)</em></p>
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<p>Jane held his spot in competition with the likes of big guns Sivi and Joe and Hosea Gear and Toeava. The fact that both of them continued to be selected is a testament to the wisdom of the triumvirate in valuing blokes who make things possible for the boom performers. I used reckon they saw what I saw - one must select Ma'a Nonu and Conrad together or not at all.</p> -
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For some reason the Hurricanes has long been a favorite team of mine and I have been delighted over and over again watching the skill and guile of Corey Jane and Conrad Smith sneak under the radar. <em>(The Hurricanes did have an annoying habit of losing the first game in every season when I had the rent money, the childrens' school fees and the car repayments riding on them. Year after year! Grrrr.)</em><br><br>
Jane held his spot in competition with the likes of big guns Sivi and Joe and Hosea Gear and Toeava. The fact that both of them continued to be selected is a testament to the wisdom of the triumvirate in valuing blokes who make things possible for the boom performers. I used reckon they saw what I saw - one must select Ma'a Nonu and Conrad together or not at all.</p></blockquote>In a group of comedians it helps to have a straight guy -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Nepia" data-cid="599736" data-time="1469334176"><p>Fuck me, can you even leave the house these days? You'll be seeing potential terrorists every 5 metres. ;)</p></blockquote><br>Muppet; Jim Henson muppet.
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<p>In a group of comedians it helps to have a straight guy</p>
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<p>Not sure what that means, canefan.</p> -
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Not sure what that means, canefan.</p></blockquote>You can't have a team full of boppers, you need guys with different skills. With all of the human highlight reels we had in the backs at the time guys like Conrad and CJ offered distribution, organisation, vision, skills that complimented and augmented the talents of the entire group -
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<p>You can't have a team full of boppers, you need guys with different skills. With all of the human highlight reels we had in the backs at the time guys like Conrad and CJ offered distribution, organisation, vision</p>
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<p>Thanks for your response Canefan - that is pretty much what I posted.</p> -
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<p>Fuck me, can you even leave the house these days? You'll be seeing potential terrorists every 5 metres. ;)</p>
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<p>Don't go to any craft breweries if you're that afraid. The terrorists there are disguised as hipsters.</p> -
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<p>Don't go to any craft breweries if you're that afraid. The terrorists there are disguised as hipsters.</p>
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<p>They will show their hidden colours if you say the secret phrase: "all beer is pretty much the same"</p> -
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<p>They will show their hidden colours if you say the secret phrase: "all beer is pretty much the same"</p>
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<p>You're telling me, if you mistake an IPA for an APA they get their braces in a knot.....</p>
