Super Rugby - Who's it going to be?
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Don Frye" data-cid="598198" data-time="1468950497"><p>Anyway, looks a fair-to-good chance of all NZ semi-finals, for the first time.<br><br>
While I'm not a 1998 redux theorist, having all of our top players involved in the semis could definitely inhibit our chances in the RC. Thoughts?</p></blockquote>
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<p>Righto, so the travel factor now dominates this competition playoffs.</p>
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<p>For the Chiefs to win, they'll have to bear the Canes at the Cake Tin, and then pray that the Landers get up over the Lions. That gives an NZ final, with the Landers smashed by travel problems. Otherwise, it's playing Canes and then Lions. Just not happening - you can't play NZ SA NZ SA over four weeks and expect to win at the back end. </p>
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<p>Canes have it all going for them. Win this week, and whoever they play is going to be coming back from SA and ripe for the picking.</p>
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<p>Landers are outsiders, again will have to play NZ SA NZ in three weekends. Remember the last time the ABs did that in the 3N was when they lost to Dingo's aussies in Melbourne. The third week is the killer (from memory it was Hamilton, SA and them Melbourne. And we sucked).</p>
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<p>Lions will be sweating on the Canes Chiefs game. Travelling to NZ to win a final is just not on... but if they get the Chiefs on their way back, they may as well write up the trophy now.</p>
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<p>So there you have it, Convoluted on a Sunday afternoon, but I'm going out on a limb to say the teams are close enough that the team that travels least wins the comp. This emphasises how shit the back end of this competition is. What's wrong with playing internal comps to get a finalist, and limiting travel (like the Superbowl - find an AFC/NFC champ and play off. Here it would be an Australasian and South African champs going for it, possibly even at a neutral venue - like Perth. Take the travel out I say!</p> -
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<p>The TAB has the Canes as favourites and no one would disagree with that. They get to train at home and sleep in their own beds while the Chiefs and Highlanders rack up air points.</p>
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<p>It's the Canes to lose. :fishing:</p>
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<p>No way can NZ rugby's mental midgets be favourites to win. Canes will crumble under pressure before the Chiefs run out of puff.</p> -
<p>>They get to train at home and <strong>sleep in their own beds </strong>while the Chiefs and Highlanders rack up air points.</p>
<p>Message to single ladies, shakes finger. :ph34r:
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<p>No way can NZ rugby's mental midgets be favourites to win. Canes will crumble under pressure before the Chiefs run out of puff.</p>
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<p>I love my Canes but no way I'm picking us as favourites for anything in the playoffs. If we win it will be an unexpected surprise and I will say a silent prayer of thanks to the sports gods that finally allow us to have a day in the sun</p> -
<p>a stat came up on the TV last night in the canes game, no foreign team has won a playoff game in NZ.</p>
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<p>a stat came up on the TV last night in the canes game, no foreign team has won a playoff game in NZ.</p>
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<p>... and only one playoff win after an international flight (saders in Brumbyland around the turn of the century I believe)</p>
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<p>... and only one playoff win after an international flight (saders in Brumbyland around the turn of the century I believe)</p>
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<p>... and only one playoff win after an international flight (saders in Brumbyland around the turn of the century I believe</p>
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<p>pretty sure the Highlanders travelled before Wellington last year, just not from SA.</p> -
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<p>pretty sure the Highlanders travelled before Wellington last year, just not from SA.</p>
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<p>Yep, beat the Tahs in Sydney. A 3 h flight across the Ta$man is not the same as flying to SA from NZ or vice versa. There is a reason no team has won after that trip. The Sharks went from Brisbane to Cape Town to Hamilton in 2012 and got blown away in the final.</p> -
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<p>Don't tease me</p>
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<p>I'm an ex Wellingtonian for my sins. I am well aware that the cruellest losses are preceded by the highest of expectations.</p>
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<p>I made an error above - pretty sure the stat was linked to the final only, not playoffs in general. Problem linked with having beer for lunch on a Sunday? Possibly, but don't judge me.</p> -
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... and only one playoff win after an international flight (saders in Brumbyland around the turn of the century I believe)<br><br>
EDIT: Should probably be FINAL only - not playoffs in general. My bad. Don't y'all know that 78.43% of statistics on the internet are made up on the spot.</p></blockquote>
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I know you've qualified your original post but for the Party at Tony Brown's the Clan wpn in Cape Town and Saders won in Brissy (I think) -
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I know you've qualified your original post but for the Party at Tony Brown's the Clan wpn in Cape Town and Saders won in Brissy (I think)</p></blockquote>
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Hence played Sunday arvo to hive the Clan some extra time.<br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="canefan" data-cid="599767" data-time="1469339199"><p>Where rugby union finals and the ranfurly shield are concerned Wellington and hurricanes rugby deserve no favouritism</p></blockquote><br>I live in Upper Hutt and dragged anyone I could with me to watch the Lions play cantabs for the NPC final some 4-5 years ago. Back in days of yore when Sopoanga was a Lion.<br><br>Wellington shit the bed and actually revealed that they didn't really have a game plan other than "lets do things differently because it is a final",<br>while Cantabs knew exactly what they were doing all match long due to their extensive playoff rugby experience that is part of their very DNA.<br><br>We lost despite being shit hot favourites going into the match.<br><br>So yeah I feel your statement but in a semi they should be good to go, where the old ghosts from the past emerge will be the final.<br><br>Even going back to the days of Bernie Fraser and watching televised games from Athletic park I can't recall Wellington coming through in the big games, although<br>if memory serves they did have the Ranfurly shield in that era at one stage.<br><br>Sorry if this post is off topic, your post caught my eye and made me nod my head in agreement.
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<p>I live in Upper Hutt and dragged anyone I could with me to watch the Lions play cantabs for the NPC final some 4-5 years ago. Back in days of yore when Sopoanga was a Lion.<br><br>
Wellington shit the bed and actually revealed that they didn't really have a game plan other than "lets do things differently because it is a final",<br>
while Cantabs knew exactly what they were doing all match long due to their extensive playoff rugby experience that is part of their very DNA.<br><br>
We lost despite being shit hot favourites going into the match.<br><br>
So yeah I feel your statement but in a semi they should be good to go, where the old ghosts from the past emerge will be the final.<br><br>
Even going back to the days of Bernie Fraser and watching televised games from Athletic park I can't recall Wellington coming through in the big games, although<br>
if memory serves they did have the Ranfurly shield in that era at one stage.<br><br>
Sorry if this post is off topic, your post caught my eye and made me nod my head in agreement.</p>
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<p>We won the shield off the mooloos and only managed one defence (Marlborough) before Canterbury took it off us. I still remember Wayne Smith's try in Bernie's corner</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="canefan" data-cid="599815" data-time="1469348179"><p>We won the shield off the mooloos and only managed one defence (Marlborough) before Canterbury took it off us. I still remember Wayne Smith's try in Bernie's corner</p></blockquote><br>FMD Bernie's corner, what memories that brings back.<br><br>It is a Sunday night and you have actually brought a few memories back with your mention of that, so I hope you don't mind if I just mention them quickly,<br>despite living in Upper Hutt I grew up in the TRON as a youngster so followed Waikato intensely.<br><br>I recall the general fever about the Mooloo's run with the shield and the Arthur Stone intercept. We even had our own song on the radio went something like this:<br>"Up and under there she goes,<br>Are you ready yes or no,<br>Up and under there she goes<br>that's the sound of the waikato front row".<br><br>Back in those days the most esteemed position to play I recall was in the front row.<br><br>The Radio was quite good those days, there was also a very good number about yer Cantabs during their magnificent run with shield something about<br>"red and black's got the shield etc"<br><br>Good times
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<p>FMD Bernie's corner, what memories that brings back.<br><br>
It is a Sunday night and you have actually brought a few memories back with your mention of that, so I hope you don't mind if I just mention them quickly,<br>
despite living in Upper Hutt I grew up in the TRON as a youngster so followed Waikato intensely.<br><br>
I recall the general fever about the Mooloo's run with the shield and the Arthur Stone intercept. We even had our own song on the radio went something like this:<br>
"Up and under there she goes,<br>
Are you ready yes or no,<br>
Up and under there she goes<br>
that's the sound of the waikato front row".<br><br>
Back in those days the most esteemed position to play I recall was in the front row.<br><br>
The Radio was quite good those days, there was also a very good number about yer Cantabs during their magnificent run with shield something about<br>
"red and black's got the shield etc"<br><br>
Good times :)</p>
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<p>The Cantab tenure and the Orcs era after that were two of the greatest ever</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="canefan" data-cid="599821" data-time="1469349418"><p>The Cantab tenure and the Orcs era after that were two of the greatest ever</p></blockquote><br>What year was the match Cantabs lost it to Auckland (the Ranfurly shield). 1985? I think I found it.
