Crusaders 2023
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@Stargazer said in Crusaders 2023:
@Chris-B Yeah, that's what I was thinking, but I remembered that Messam case and then there's that media article. So now I'm not so sure what the rules are at the moment.
I think the rules are you have to be resident in NZ from end ofMarch or some such thing to play in finals, it's not to do with games played but resdidency, suppose it to stop players sneaking home as soon as their team knocked out of finals up north. It's not like Afoa was flown home just for Crusaders, he just left his digs in France 3 days early, he didn't just suddenly decide to come home, he was on his way anyway.
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Are all Crusaders supporters happy with that announcement?
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@Canes4life Works for me. I thought he should've been giving the gig when they went with Blackadder instead.
The Tahs are a black mark against his name but Aussie SR has been a mess for a long time and he's not he only coach who's rep has taken a hit while trying to sort Aussie rugby teams out.
I can't see how long his appointment is for. Is it just two years to wait for Goodman to be available?
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Crusaders Confirm 2024 Coaching Group
The Crusaders have finalised their coaching group for 2024. Rob Penney has been confirmed as the new Crusaders Head Coach, while Crusaders centurion Matt Todd takes up the last position in the group.
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I understand why they went for Rob Penny,
He is well respected in the region as a Coach and a decent bloke,Well immersed in the Culture and an understanding of how the Crusaders work,Not likely to come in and try to restructure to much.A lot of overseas experience as a coach.
Has been a mentor to Razor so fits into the structure well.A mentor type coach to an inexperienced coaching group they have already have.
Tamati Ellison will be the one set up to take over in 2 years so continuity flows on.Were the Waratahs right in sacking him or are the Crusaders right in hiring him, time will tell.
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crusaders fans thoughts?....id forgotten he was out there as an option
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I understand why they went for Rob Penny,
He is well respected in the region as a Coach and a decent bloke,Well immersed in the Culture and an understanding of how the Crusaders work,Not likely to come in and try to restructure to much.A lot of overseas experience as a coach.
Has been a mentor to Razor so fits into the structure well.A mentor type coach to an inexperienced coaching group they have already have.
Tamati Ellison will be the one set up to take over in 2 years so continuity flows on.Were the Waratahs right in sacking him or are the Crusaders right in hiring him, time will tell.
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@Chris said in Next Blues, Crusaders, Hurricanes coach discussion:
Were the Waratahs right in sacking him or are the Crusaders right in hiring him, time will tell.
Coud be both?! Did he have any interviews afterwards where he reflected on what went wrong?
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Feels a bit like taking the safe option. I'm not unhappy about this decision, but also not as excited as I was when razor got hired. I hope we're hiring him for what he's going to do in the next few years and not for what he did a decade ago with Canterbury.
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@Wurzel said in Crusaders 2023:
The Tahs are a black mark against his name but Aussie SR has been a mess for a long time and he's not he only coach who's rep has taken a hit while trying to sort Aussie rugby teams out.
His record for the Tahs was worse the previous coach Daryl Gibson
From memory I think the Tahs made some strange player contract decisions during his tenure though. I think that was the board trying to save money more than Penney screwing up
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Yes some pieces from the article below
“You never prepare for something like that,” said Penney of his sacking. “You’re always thinking about the next week. [Chief executive] Paul Doorn, who I have a lot of time for, and I had a few conversations. I knew he was feeling the pressure. There is a time when that pressure causes something to pop and I understand after the performance of the Reds match [a 46-14 defeat] that the board had a meeting in the morning [on Sunday] and made a decision to exit me.
“Getting a million dollars taken out of the budget at the back-end of COVID is probably going to cost this organisation more [in the long run],” Penney said. “We were dealing with recruitment with a million dollars less than everybody else.
Penney said he’d been made promises by Davis when he signed in late 2019 but felt those hadn’t been kept.“The chairman told me ‘money is no object here, Sydney is a big place, if you need some stuff and support, we’ll be able to get it’,” Penney said. “The other side of the coin was [I was told] there will be patience because of the age profile of the group.
“Well, 18 months later, we’ve seen that neither of those things have been forthcoming – patience or financial resources – to be able to put this group together properly.
“It’s clearly a situation where people have decided on the old adage; if the team doesn’t perform, sack the coach, without looking too far into a lot of the issues that are around.”
Penney recorded five wins from 19 matches in charge of the Waratahs, but largely inherited a roster built by former general manager of rugby Tim Rapp, who departed earlier this year.
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@Chris What are your thoughts on the fact there were quite a few senior Tahs players who either left or wanted to leave because of Penney?
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@kiwi_expat i know if you were asking me the quesiton id want to know what about penny they didn't like...was he and arsehole for no reason?....was he an obviously bad coach?....or did he have high expectations those players didn;t want to live up too?
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I don’t really know why the tahs players wanted to leave.
Just from his time at Canterbury and under Deans at the Crusaders he was well liked by the players.
Robbie Deans and Dave Rennie both got moved on from Australian coaching roles maybe Kiwi coaches do not fit in that
enviroment,I am at a wait and see as far as Penney will go,
He has had success as Canterbury NPC coach 4 titles in 4 years and picked Razor as his assistant.
Won a SR with the Crusaders as assistant to Robbie Deans,
Some good history there.
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Wasn't Brad Thorn also an agreed leave? Any successful NZ coaches over the ditch?
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@Chris said in Crusaders 2023:
I am at a wait and see as far as Penney will go,
He has had success as Canterbury NPC coach 4 titles in 4 years and picked Razor as his assistant.
Won a SR with the Crusaders as assistant to Robbie Deans,
Some good history there.He may be a fine coach & clearly he should've gotten the job back in 2009... however for 2024 going forward I think this is a very uninspiring choice - as he is approaching 60 now & has mostly been coaching in Japanese Div 2 for the last 10 years, so not very relevant experience, neither is he a guy for future who can take a progressive step forward for them.
I suspect this may be a short-term 'caretaker' appointment until Goodman becomes available.
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That is exactly what it is a care taker role,
Until Goodman becomes available they rate Tamati Ellison very highly, they may promote him.
