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    @Nepia said in Blues 2023:

    The dumb kicking (by everyone, which the article actually mentions) looked more like a game plan than individual players making decisions ... maybe Rangi needs to look in the mirror too instead of acting like the Hammettuer in the press?

    If Rangi is telling his 10 to do a 10 metre cross field bomb from his 22 after the team has been under the pump for ages and has hardly seen the ball then I really worry for the ABs next year

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    @Crucial if you actually just listen to Leon instead of making up things to worry about, it'll save us all time responding to this sort of fluff.

    He credited the Crusaders with disrupting the ruck, putting pressure on us to kick more than we wanted to, and with less accuracy than what we needed.

    Look up the after match interview Leon gave that Hinton skimmed through.

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    @Kirwan said in Blues 2023:

    @Crucial if you actually just listen to Leon instead of making up things to worry about, it'll save us all time responding to this sort of fluff.

    He credited the Crusaders with disrupting the ruck, putting pressure on us to kick more than we wanted to, and with less accuracy than what we needed.

    Look up the after match interview Leon gave that Hinton skimmed through.

    I understood very much what Rangi said. I was responding to a comment of @Nepia that maybe he should take some blame.

    Hilarious that you keep diverting attention away from the dumbest piece of play in a weekend full of dumb plays. I watched the game in a room full of neutrals who all laughed and commented on how stupid it was. A couple of ex forwards were happy to declare that they would thump him for that.
    It wasn't poor execution under pressure either, it was a deliberate action that put the team immediately back under pressure. The end cost of all that tackling early was a dull, tired attack for the rest of the game.

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    @Kirwan said in Blues 2023:

    @nostrildamus It's cute you put so much stock in Marc Hinton's opinion, I'm more interested in Leon's.

    It's cute how much you defend Beauden

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    Yeah "neutrals", sure.

    I keep replying because half of what you say is just made up rubbish. The comment above about Leon, case and point, offers nothing to conversation.

    It's not smart to say he should have kicked better, it's obvious. It's also not correct to say he's the only one doing it, or that's doing it off his own back. It's not even right to say it was the dumbest kick, that was Sullivan's - yet only BB seems to be getting criticism. I wonder why.

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    @KiwiMurph I'm defending him by saying he needs to kick less and more accurately? Are you sure?

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    @Kirwan said in Blues 2023:

    It's not even right to say it was the dumbest kick, that was Sullivan's - yet only BB seems to be getting criticism. I wonder why

    perhaps because Sullivan had 1 poor kick among a number of excellent kicks.

    If Beauden had that ratio no one would mind the odd poor kick.

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    @KiwiMurph My point is that BB's good play is completely ignored in the current pile on. He's not playing half as bad as you guys are making out.

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    @Kirwan said in Blues 2023:

    @KiwiMurph My point is that BB's good play is completely ignored in the current pile on. He's not playing half as bad as you guys are making out.

    I was encouraged by his last 15 or so minutes when he started running the ball - looked the best he has all season imo.

    However - the first 65 minutes - he failed at either getting the attack functioning or directing the Blues around the field with his boot. His inability to take on the line really stifles the Blues attack which is fairly basic as it is.

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    @KiwiMurph We didn't have the ball for the first 30mins, 75-2 for the tackles. The team was completely fatigued.

    The Crusaders actually deserve some credit you know.

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    @Kirwan It's not mutually exclusive. All of the above can be true.

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    @KiwiMurph Yes, and it can also be true that the criticism of BB is now just a mental groove with people just repeating the same thing every week despite what he does on the field.

    All the tens are doing these stupid bombs, it's clearly the tactic of the year. Only one is getting constant criticism about it. (Note the word constant).

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    @Kirwan said in Blues 2023:

    All the tens are doing these stupid bombs

    Are they? In that situation?

    People are repeating the same thing because he keeps playing poorly.

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    @Crucial yes, in similar situations and against weaker teams.

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    @Kirwan said in Blues 2023:

    Only one is getting constant criticism about it. (Note the word constant).

    Mo'unga has been constantly criticised all year on here.

    If DMac played all year like he did vs Reds he would be constantly criticised too.

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  • KirwanK Offline
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    We’ll see. That’s not my reading of the threads this year.

    BB was criticised for not taking on the line in a game recently, and that’s how he set up one of the trys. A lot of good stuff is being ignored.

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    @Kirwan Beauden has been heavily criticised on here for most of the year and rightfully so, to be blunt he's been average at best for the Blues and he's failed to execute to the high standards that are expected of a player like him for most of the campaign.

    I think a lot of us know how deadly he can be when he takes on the line because it opens up space around him for other players to take advantage of. We saw glimpses of his running game against the Crusaders when he finally decided to stop kicking aimlessly and the Blues started to reap the benefits, infact they looked like a team that was capable of knocking over the Crusaders, but probably left it a little too late.

    He needs to keep that attacking mindset going into the playoffs. The Blues have weapons all over the park so it's upto Beauden as key playmaker to make sure the right players are getting the ball, especially in the red zone when it matters most.

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    The abnormal stat that shows signs of a deliberate plan for Beauden Barrett

    The abnormal stat that shows signs of a deliberate plan for Beauden Barrett

    With one final chance at the Rugby World Cup later this year, Barrett has to be forgiven for working to a clear preservation plan to get him there.

    With one final chance at the Rugby World Cup later this year, Barrett has to be forgiven for working to a clear preservation plan to get him there.
    
    There is one stat in particular that indicates clearly what is going on with Barrett this season.
    
    With nine games of Super Rugby and 720 minutes of action played, he has made just 20 tackles all season. That is one every 36 minutes, almost a half a game of rugby.
    
    He went through one fixture against the Hurricanes in round three without logging a single tackle or tackle attempt.
    
    Combined with the most kicks in the competition it is clear Barrett is working to a plan to come through this Super Rugby season unscathed.
    

    Are those tackle stats accurate?

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  • KirwanK Offline
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    Even if they aren’t, it speaks to something that Duluth was pointing out earlier where wasn’t taking on the line much. He’s started doing that recently, but it’s clear hes minimising contact.

    For the ABs, in a World Cup year that’s great. For the Blues and Super Rugby as viable comp, less so.

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