Black Ferns 2023
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Revealed: NZ Rugby's push for ground-breaking Black Ferns tour
New Zealand Rugby is hoping to secure two major events for the Black Ferns on home soil.
Liam Napier at the Herald refers to a “groundbreaking tour” here. A friend wouldn’t mind someone with a herald subscription to translate what he’s talking about. Is he talking about WXV or something else?
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@Auckman said in Black Ferns 2023:
Revealed: NZ Rugby's push for ground-breaking Black Ferns tour
New Zealand Rugby is hoping to secure two major events for the Black Ferns on home soil.
Liam Napier at the Herald refers to a “groundbreaking tour” here. A friend wouldn’t mind someone with a herald subscription to translate what he’s talking about. Is he talking about WXV or something else?
See the other link above.
Yes it is the 'finals' of the WXV. Top three from Europe with top three from Pacific/AmericasSo likely England, France, Wales, NZ, Aus, Canada
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And Carys Dallinger might end up playing for Australia.
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@Bovidae said in Black Ferns 2023:
And Carys Dallinger might end up playing for Australia.
Medium fish in a small pond. She's a good player but not at BF level IMO. Is doing well in Oz but that is an indication of the quality level of those teams. She doesn't even stand out much at FPC here. Aupiki would be her ceiling without further development. Good on her though if she has the option and it could provide that development.
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@Bovidae said in Black Ferns 2023:
And Carys Dallinger might end up playing for Australia.
This is the kind of player who shores up the quality of NZ's domestic rugby. She's not at BF level but she shores up the next level down. If NZ keeps losing these kinds of players overseas, the quality between BF and the rest drops significantly. It eventually attacks the foundations on which the top team (the BF) relies upon. I'd argue this is one of the main problems for NZ rugby in recent years with the relative decline of the All Blacks after years of the "next tier down" players heading off overseas. The overall quality of NZ's domestic rugby scene sinks and white-ants the quality of players coming into the top team. Eventually, the top team declines.
My solution? Ring-fence the Australian competition into the NZ competition. Establish a draft. I think women's rugby has an opportunity to do something different to the men's game. I cannot imagine the NZRU ever agreeing to a draft for men's rugby but I reckon they can test the concept in the women's game. Ultimately, the aim is to try and improve the product across Australia and NZ to ward off NRLW and England/France/US/Japan becoming the destinations of choice for our female rugby players.
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@Auckman said in Black Ferns 2023:
@Bovidae said in Black Ferns 2023:
And Carys Dallinger might end up playing for Australia.
This is the kind of player who shores up the quality of NZ's domestic rugby. She's not at BF level but she shores up the next level down. If NZ keeps losing these kinds of players overseas, the quality between BF and the rest drops significantly. It eventually attacks the foundations on which the top team (the BF) relies upon. I'd argue this is one of the main problems for NZ rugby in recent years with the relative decline of the All Blacks after years of the "next tier down" players heading off overseas. The overall quality of NZ's domestic rugby scene sinks and white-ants the quality of players coming into the top team. Eventually, the top team declines.
My solution? Ring-fence the Australian competition into the NZ competition. Establish a draft. I think women's rugby has an opportunity to do something different to the men's game. I cannot imagine the NZRU ever agreeing to a draft for men's rugby but I reckon they can test the concept in the women's game. Ultimately, the aim is to try and improve the product across Australia and NZ to ward off NRLW and England/France/US/Japan becoming the destinations of choice for our female rugby players.
It's not going to work because.....Australia
Even then, with Oz parentage she would end up playing for them.
I get that you are talking about keeping a quality level high but we could also do that by franchising a comp with Japan/US/Canada. If Oz want to enter a couple of teams and use their current comp as a qualifier that would be great.
I am just guessing that they believe they have a good internal product at the right level already and joining with us would either dilute their numbers (by have too many kiwis playing in it) or lead to a lopsided table (like SRP) -
I am sure there will be others making the move to earn some money.
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@Crucial - yeah I’ve changed my mind on this. After watching the SRW final and a few other matches, the kiwi teams would demolish them if they joined up next year. Might be better to do it the following year in 2025 when Australia aim to have full-time Wallaroos contracts in place.
Next year the SRA needs to be expanded to at least home & away rounds and I still think a fifth team is doable.
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@Auckman 5th team only doable if players are willing to re-base themselves. Considering the $ paid many still have to hold day jobs.
If you took this year's squads and joined up some Reserves and non-players you'd have an OK side but not one of similar quality to the others. Spread the talent around too much and you may as well stick to FPC. This year's sides were propped up by League players
If the money was better you would get some travelling players back eg those that go to Japan.
I think that better option would be to include a side from Japan that includes some kiwi and Fiji players and maybe a Baabaas team from OZ/US/Canadian players
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@Auckman What if Player B wanted a Christian Cross, and player C a pink ribbon etc etc. It is not what she wanted but the fact that once you let one player do it, then they'll all want their own little bit. It is a corporate contract, not a vehicle for individuals to spread their beliefs and views. That they can do in their own time
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@Machpants said in Black Ferns 2023:
@Auckman What if Player B wanted a Christian Cross, and player C a pink ribbon etc etc. It is not what she wanted but the fact that once you let one player do it, then they'll all want their own little bit. It is a corporate contract, not a vehicle for individuals to spread their beliefs and views. That they can do in their own time
Hardly comparing apples with apples.
Although with women’s rugby there would be a fair few 🌈 if they all had a choice.
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That's why she got turned down, is a corporate contact. NZR pay the players for their image rights, and they have the right to withdraw from anything they want to. But you can't have players pushing their portfolios into that stuff, TFD. You're either in our out, don't like it, then take the (significant) pay cut
