All Blacks and NZR
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks and NZR:
If nz based super sides do play in Japan it would surely be another nail in the npc coffin with a longer super season.
Yep I think that would be in their thinking,Moving NPC to an amateur comp would save them a lot of money.
But it would severely hurt the AB's and SR as far as depth goes,It would probably strengthen MLB considerably. -
@Tim said in All Blacks and NZR:
@taniwharugby Having two pro competitions cannot last forever. Sooner or later, NPC will fold or go amateur.
Yep it will happen eventually.Then SR could be expanded to include 4 Top league teams.
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I don't think the NPC will fold or become amateur. There are so many other options to explore and the NPC is too important for the development of players. NZR also can't afford to lose another tier of players to other countries, which will happen if the NPC folds or becomes amateur.
Whatever the solution is, it will likely hurt the NPC though. They'd probably move the competition start back by one or more weeks, or force teams to play without their SR players in the first few weeks, and/or maybe add an extra storm week.
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@Tim yeah I know NPC isnt sustainable long term, unless things change, but these proposed changes are not helpful for NPC.
I wonder what the strength of the NPC teams would be like v the Japanese sides, and if a comp could be made similar to CANZ?
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@taniwharugby CANZ?
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@taniwharugby Why would that happen? I see it as a preseason for Suoer teams and Japanese teams as the way it would work. Will be a win win I think.
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@Stargazer was the tournament that ran along side the original super 10 (pre-1995) I think, but involved teams from Canada, Argentina and NZ.
@Dan54 they play in Japan during our NPC season.
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@Chris said in All Blacks and NZR:
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks and NZR:
If nz based super sides do play in Japan it would surely be another nail in the npc coffin with a longer super season.
Yep I think that would be in their thinking,Moving NPC to an amateur comp would save them a lot of money.
But it would severely hurt the AB's and SR as far as depth goes,It would probably strengthen MLB considerably.Removing the NPC would just remove a pathway, and any money saved would need to be put elsewhere - it's an expense that's always going to exist. If it doesn't exist then NZ rugby is done.
We're also at a point, setting aside Covid, where the NPC unions have learned to live within their means.
I know the big union supporters on here bemoan that ABs don't play a full part but that has happened for years and has made the NPC a more competitive competition, and the big unions still pretty much mostly win anyway with their available and back up ABs.
I (and I might be part of a small group of outliers) watch more NPC games a weekend than Super games (I hate Canterbury, Southland, Tahs, Reds equally but I'm more likely to watch the Cantabs v Southland). If the NPC goes my active support of rugby drops off a huge cliff.
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When the Super Six started in 1986 it was a closed shop with Auckland, Wellington and Canterbury participating with New South Wales and Queensland and Fiji. It was a closed shop because it was essentially a private, invitation only, tournament instigated by New South Wales.
The benefit to Auckland, Wellington and Canterbury over the other NZ provincial teams was obvious.
Unable to join Super Six, Otago was a prime mover in 1989 setting up the CANZ competition with Waikato, North Auckland, Canada and two teams from Argentina - Banco Nacionale and San Isidro.
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@taniwharugby Ok well I didn't see where it said that, all it said was outside of Super Pacific. What have I missed? I reckon this a great move and f***en good work by NZR.
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@Nepia Yep, without the NPC, I'd probably watch 1st XV, some club rugby games, teams in black and only the occasional SR game. I need that provincial connection (via our provincial players) to be interested in watching SRP every weekend.
@taniwharugby said in All Blacks and NZR:@Dan54 they play in Japan during our NPC season.
The Japanese Top League One starts in December, so after the NPC has finished, but players are usually expected to return for preseason in September.
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@Stargazer it's more that unless it's an npc player finishing up and starting new contract we don't really see anyone playing both
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@taniwharugby Unless they negotiate a special clause in their contract, like Tiaan Falcon a few years ago. He did play both. I think there have been a few more players.
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@taniwharugby From write up posted by Tim above.
NZ Rugby and the JRFU will also explore opportunities for New Zealand-based Super Rugby teams to play Japan League One teams outside the Super Rugby Pacific competition window. This appears likely to take place during the pre-season.And just checked mate, the Japanese League One is being played now, finals in May/June.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks and NZR:
@taniwharugby From write up posted by Tim above.
NZ Rugby and the JRFU will also explore opportunities for New Zealand-based Super Rugby teams to play Japan League One teams outside the Super Rugby Pacific competition window. This appears likely to take place during the pre-season.And just checked mate, the Japanese League One is being played now, finals in May/June.
see...that i dont like...yet another micro comp, we should be looking integrating teams rather than several smaller comps
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@Kiwiwomble Where does it say a comp? I got impression just preseason games, as what happens between NZ super teams now, just trvel to Japan and got so many pluses for both sides I think, rather than preseason against teams you are going to play against.
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@Dan54 “comp” in a loose sense, either a small mini comp or more meaningless “friendlies” same difference
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