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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
Destination-fucked!
The destination seems to be arriving at a devastatingly fast pace. It's like a TV Political Thriller.
One thing I find very interesting is how this investigation is going full bore whereas dodgy dealings down south from all parties have seemed to slip through the net
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
Destination-fucked!
The destination seems to be arriving at a devastatingly fast pace. It's like a TV Political Thriller.
One thing I find very interesting is how this investigation is going full bore whereas dodgy dealings down south from all parties have seemed to slip through the net
Hopefully it all comes out in the wash, but it has to be said that if the rozzers are getting involved and the auditors have abandoned ship then it's likely this is either really bad or they've been really stupid and made far too obvious. Or arrogant enough to think they can do what they want without recourse.
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@MiketheSnow In fact the more I think about it the more I hope this thing is the real deal and it explodes, then maybe we can start to see some real statesmanship coming to the fore, whether that be from the left or the right. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
Destination-fucked!
The destination seems to be arriving at a devastatingly fast pace. It's like a TV Political Thriller.
One thing I find very interesting is how this investigation is going full bore whereas dodgy dealings down south from all parties have seemed to slip through the net
I sense this could well be real fraud and/or corruption though.
Looks to be very different from the usual scuttlebutt or downright political likes lies: "Matt Hancock's Pub Landlord won a £5m PPE contract after confidential WhatsApp messages".
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow In fact the more I think about it the more I hope this thing is the real deal and it explodes, then maybe we can start to see some real statesmanship coming to the fore, whether that be from the left or the right. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
Well I don't think it will come from Keir Sunak or Rishi Starmer...
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow In fact the more I think about it the more I hope this thing is the real deal and it explodes, then maybe we can start to see some real statesmanship coming to the fore, whether that be from the left or the right. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
Well I don't think it will come from Keir Sunak or Rishi Starmer...
My point…
Maybe yours too?
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow In fact the more I think about it the more I hope this thing is the real deal and it explodes, then maybe we can start to see some real statesmanship coming to the fore, whether that be from the left or the right. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
Well I don't think it will come from Keir Sunak or Rishi Starmer...
My point…
Maybe yours too?
Kinda. I'm just not sure that clearing out the cesspit that seems to be the SNP would make that much difference to UK politics as a whole
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow In fact the more I think about it the more I hope this thing is the real deal and it explodes, then maybe we can start to see some real statesmanship coming to the fore, whether that be from the left or the right. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
Well I don't think it will come from Keir Sunak or Rishi Starmer...
My point…
Maybe yours too?
Kinda. I'm just not sure that clearing out the cesspit that seems to be the SNP would make that much difference to UK politics as a whole
I’m hoping that there has to be a tipping point at some time, where there is a political realisation that spin, overly divisive rhetoric and the importance of party over country is seen to be the empty shell that it is. That our politicians nail their colours to their respective masts and actually stand for something. It seems a long time ago that, in the UK we had committed pollies like Benn, Thatcher, Whitelaw, Foot, that, love them or hate them stood for something. I couldn’t abide Foot’s political view but I could admire his commitment to it.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
I’m hoping that there has to be a tipping point at some time, where there is a political realisation that spin, overly divisive rhetoric and the importance of party over country is seen to be the empty shell that it is.
So do I, but I'm not holding my breath - not while the top 20-30% are benefitting from the current political culture and groupthink anyway.
That our politicians nail their colours to their respective masts and actually stand for something
Look what happens these days to those that do.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow In fact the more I think about it the more I hope this thing is the real deal and it explodes, then maybe we can start to see some real statesmanship coming to the fore, whether that be from the left or the right. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
Well I don't think it will come from Keir Sunak or Rishi Starmer...
My point…
Maybe yours too?
Kinda. I'm just not sure that clearing out the cesspit that seems to be the SNP would make that much difference to UK politics as a whole
I’m hoping that there has to be a tipping point at some time, where there is a political realisation that spin, overly divisive rhetoric and the importance of party over country is seen to be the empty shell that it is. That our politicians nail their colours to their respective masts and actually stand for something. It seems a long time ago that, in the UK we had committed pollies like Benn, Thatcher, Whitelaw, Foot, that, love them or hate them stood for something. I couldn’t abide Foot’s political view but I could admire his commitment to it.
Ironically, Sturgeon belongs on that list, IMHO.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow In fact the more I think about it the more I hope this thing is the real deal and it explodes, then maybe we can start to see some real statesmanship coming to the fore, whether that be from the left or the right. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
Well I don't think it will come from Keir Sunak or Rishi Starmer...
My point…
Maybe yours too?
Kinda. I'm just not sure that clearing out the cesspit that seems to be the SNP would make that much difference to UK politics as a whole
I’m hoping that there has to be a tipping point at some time, where there is a political realisation that spin, overly divisive rhetoric and the importance of party over country is seen to be the empty shell that it is. That our politicians nail their colours to their respective masts and actually stand for something. It seems a long time ago that, in the UK we had committed pollies like Benn, Thatcher, Whitelaw, Foot, that, love them or hate them stood for something. I couldn’t abide Foot’s political view but I could admire his commitment to it.
Ironically, Sturgeon belongs on that list, IMHO.
I think that one is a yes and no. Absolutely she has nailed her colours to the mast on Scottish Independence but that is a one trick pony. Politically and away from that what does she stand for? What are her broader aims? She flip-flops over most issues, brings in ill thought policies that are detrimental to the electorate, kow-tows to all this PC bollocks and then refers everything back to Independence. She plays the independence card like Sadiq does the race card.
Rising crime? Race/English ill treatment. The same with drug deaths, unemployment, hospital waiting lists.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow In fact the more I think about it the more I hope this thing is the real deal and it explodes, then maybe we can start to see some real statesmanship coming to the fore, whether that be from the left or the right. Wouldn't that be wonderful?
Well I don't think it will come from Keir Sunak or Rishi Starmer...
My point…
Maybe yours too?
Kinda. I'm just not sure that clearing out the cesspit that seems to be the SNP would make that much difference to UK politics as a whole
I’m hoping that there has to be a tipping point at some time, where there is a political realisation that spin, overly divisive rhetoric and the importance of party over country is seen to be the empty shell that it is. That our politicians nail their colours to their respective masts and actually stand for something. It seems a long time ago that, in the UK we had committed pollies like Benn, Thatcher, Whitelaw, Foot, that, love them or hate them stood for something. I couldn’t abide Foot’s political view but I could admire his commitment to it.
Ironically, Sturgeon belongs on that list, IMHO.
I think that one is a yes and no. Absolutely she has nailed her colours to the mast on Scottish Independence but that is a one trick pony. Politically and away from that what does she stand for? What are her broader aims? She flip-flops over most issues, brings in ill thought policies that are detrimental to the electorate, kow-tows to all this PC bollocks and then refers everything back to Independence. She plays the independence card like Sadiq does the race card.
Rising crime? Race/English ill treatment. The same with drug deaths, unemployment, hospital waiting lists.
Gone and forgotten
A pest, and an incompetent one at that
Much like Drakeford in Wales
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Don’t they do basic checking anymore before spouting?
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@MiketheSnow for all the Tory incompetence in 2022, Labour are currently tearing themselves apart.
They’ve gone from sure thing to favourites.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
They’ve gone from sure thing to favourites.
Putting Emily Thornberry anywhere near a microphone tends to do that.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
They’ve gone from sure thing to favourites.
Putting Emily Thornberry anywhere near a microphone tends to do that.
yeah there's not many people that make you think "that Diane Abbot, not so stupid after all".
What a time we live in eh?
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
They’ve gone from sure thing to favourites.
Putting Emily Thornberry anywhere near a microphone tends to do that.
yeah there's not many people that make you think "that Diane Abbot, not so stupid after all".
What a time we live in eh?
She's certainly working hard to disprove Orwell's view that "It is fatal to look hungry. It makes people want to kick you."
An intellectual snob minus the intellect.
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So I've long since accepted that we leave in a society for the lowest common denominator. Where by even those with mediocre intelligence are held back by rules/laws designed for the fewest.
However, sometimes things cross my line, which this is a classic example. In the UK it's been introduced that you have to have ID to vote. And by fuck has it caused some backlash. Which I don't understand at all. Main reasons are
- Discrimination against minorities as less have the required ID
- More work for the civil servants who need to check it
- People not being aware that it's required.
All of these are just such horseshit. If minorities are less likely to have ID then thats their problem. You need ID for passports, drivers license & many other things. If you don't have any, then in my view, you aren't smart enough to vote anyway. More work for civil servants? Come on. The job is to cross a name off a list from a voter. Now, they simply need to cross check a name from an ID as opposed to listen the person say it. Such bullshit. People not being aware? If you aren't aware, then again, you don't read enough news to vote.
In my world, this would all be done on the HMRC (IRD) website. If you don't have an account, it means you aren't registered with the government and then you don't deserve a vote anyway. If you find the website too hard to use, then you aren't smart enough to vote.
At some point, an uprising by people with more than basic intelligence is going to happen.
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Whilst I agree in theory, I feel you are underestimating the ability of British bureaucracy to fuck simple things up.
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