Jacinda resigned
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@MN5 said in Jacinda resigned:
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@taniwharugby said in Jacinda resigned:
this oughta start some shit!
Lets ignore the best candidate, and why stop at Maori, why not make it a gay trans Maori-Chinese-Samoan-Tongan non binary vegan?
You forgot disabled, you bigot.
……….and being a clinically obese dwarf wouldn’t go amiss either
Islamaphobes
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@Steve Understand you saying that, just come across as perhaps right wing in that post,trying hard to be liberal, I take your word for it that you're not, and to be honest mate doesn't worry me anyway. So wasn't trying to criticise you, but as you say about nanny state-ism pisses me off too. Perhaps so does faux liberalism ,
As in all things mate the easiest thing to do is I find it easier to vent on the net (and thats good) than actually try and change things by getting involved huh and changing things!
And that not a dig at you in anyway, but I find if I was genuinely pissed enough (and probaly just didn't let the world go by) I would actually join/attend a political party or rally to make a change, otherwise I just someone who shouts at wind because it got the cheek to blow! -
Just a note on Steve's posts - it was Julie Anne Genter who cycled herself to the hospital to give birth, not Jacinda Ardern.
I'm shedding no tears over Ardern's departure. But I'm in Queenstown for a wedding, so I shall save my wider thoughts for another day.
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@Smudge said in Jacinda resigned:
But I'm in Queenstown for a wedding
not quite a humble brag, but maybe a subtle brag?
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@Smudge said in Jacinda resigned:
Just a note on Steve's posts - it was Julie Anne Genter who cycled herself to the hospital to give birth, not Jacinda Ardern.
I'm shedding no tears over Ardern's departure. But I'm in Queenstown for a wedding, so I shall save my wider thoughts for another day.
Apologies, im bang to rights there. Ive mixed her up with Julia Anne in that regard.
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Looking from the outside, I thought Ardern was an interesting case in that she seemed led by compassion ahead of pragmatism. There's a lot of international political goodwill that New Zealand probably gained from that, over and above all the cynicism as to whether it was just a ploy.
Both sides of politics are essentially self-serving arsehats who would step over their own mothers to retain power. And, given you're never going to please everyone, you might as well just do what you can to serve the goals you set.
I find Steve's points on the COVID situation relevant in terms of lockdowns (having been in one of the more affected Sydney areas), but at the same time, the popularity of Ardern and Andrews didn't seem to wane at all.
Morrison's did, but that's less about COVID and more to do with the fact even some Lib voters were sick of his pack of clowns and their laundry list of shithousery.
EDIT: and incumbency has a limited lifespan at Federal level
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I didn't vote for Adern and probably wouldn't have this year. The fact I say probably illustrates how shit I think National still are.
I do get the criticism of the angst-ridden, hand wringing persona but I think, on balance, I'd rather have a 'compassionate' leader than a callous one.
What I don't quite get is the criticism that she's done nothing when the reality is that in amongst all the Mosque attacks, White Island, Covid, Inflation crisis there has been major reform of employment law - including minimum wage sick leave and collective bargaining, the health sector, climate policy, three waters, co-governance, Te Arawhiti. That's off the top of my head. That's actually a lot of quite substantive changes. The issue is she hasn't taken the country with her and the response from a minority has been quite polarising and divisive.
The issue for Ardern is she hasn't done enough to satisfy the Labour Party's left wing, but way too much for the general electorate to stomach.
The reality is that if there had been time for the changes to bed in it is possible that people would have discovered they didn't mean the end of days, but she was never going to get that time because people want to draw a line under the last three years and one way of closure is to change the government.
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@dogmeat said in Jacinda resigned:
The issue for Ardern is she hasn't done enough to satisfy the Labour Party's left wing, but way too much for the general electorate to stomach.
Damned if you do.... there are some utterly barking mad fringe dwellers in both major parties here, who are tolerated because they can win a seat (more on the strength of the party than their personal beliefs).
People tend to ignore the policies that don't affect them. Or they just criticise the policies that directly affect them in a negative sense, without taking into account the policies that indirectly cancel out the negatives.
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@NTA said in Jacinda resigned:
@dogmeat said in Jacinda resigned:
The issue for Ardern is she hasn't done enough to satisfy the Labour Party's left wing, but way too much for the general electorate to stomach.
Damned if you do.... there are some utterly barking mad fringe dwellers in both major parties here, who are tolerated because they can win a seat (more on the strength of the party than their personal beliefs).
People tend to ignore the policies that don't affect them. Or they just criticise the policies that directly affect them in a negative sense, without taking into account the policies that indirectly cancel out the negatives.
Yeah that's a completely fair point. Great post.
My contention with Ardern and her ilk is that their were certain non negotiable lines that were crossed and once crossed there is no going back.
They fucked with peoples liberty in a way I personally will never forget nor forgive.
The rest of the nuts and bolts politics I don't really care about.
But they rented our liberty to us with conditions attached. And that's treacherous.
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@JC said in Jacinda resigned:
@mikedogz said in Jacinda resigned:
I think it will be our first ranga and then first chrome dome at the end of the year. Hipkins seems to be the front runner.
Massey! Piggy Muldoon! Mike Moore! We have a long history of smoothtop premiers.
He is the first to go the full bowling ball, I wonder if he shaves it daily.
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@mikedogz said in Jacinda resigned:
@JC said in Jacinda resigned:
@mikedogz said in Jacinda resigned:
I think it will be our first ranga and then first chrome dome at the end of the year. Hipkins seems to be the front runner.
Massey! Piggy Muldoon! Mike Moore! We have a long history of smoothtop premiers.
He is the first to go the full bowling ball, I wonder if he shaves it daily.
It’s a shame combovers aren’t really a thing these days but to be fair it’s a risky do to have in Wellington.
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@dogmeat said in Jacinda resigned:
What I don't quite get is the criticism that she's done nothing when the reality is that in amongst all the Mosque attacks, White Island, Covid, Inflation crisis there has been major reform of employment law - including minimum wage sick leave and collective bargaining, the health sector, climate policy, three waters, co-governance, Te Arawhiti. That's off the top of my head. That's actually a lot of quite substantive changes. The issue is she hasn't taken the country with her and the response from a minority has been quite polarising and divisive.
She's done very little other than react. White Island and the Mosque attacks weren't actually massively big political issues. She played dress up, went all weepy, and made people happy. But there wasn't any substantive policy required to fix them.
Covid was OK in my book. We didn't over-react half as badly as some other places. Sure we closed the borders in an utterly callous way -- but that was because her cabinet are stuck in the 1980's. Instead of people who wanted being able to buy their way into managed isolation, and the money used to fund poor people -- thereby tripling the number who came in at no cost to the government -- we went with 80's style rationing. To avoid even the remotest suggestion of "user pays" there was loads of hurt delivered. But at least once we left lockdown, we left lockdown, with schools opening etc. Some countries lingered in semi-lockdowns for ages. We didn't start to criminalise dissent like Trudeau, or descend into massive riots.
What Ardern didn't do is what she promised. Housing was a fiasco. Health a fiasco. Mental health something worse than a fiasco.
The government's refusal to let desperately needed specialists into the country a way to piss off pretty much every sector of the economy. (While some people are knee-jerk opposed to immigration, do we actually want our population to decrease? Because if the current policies are kept, we will start to decrease in size in a decade or so. Kiwis, especially the cleverest and most adventurous, will keep going out, and we are not meant to replace them?)
Then what Ardern has tried to do were things that were massively unpopular in some sectors -- three waters, co-governance, merging the Techs, collective bargaining -- but it's not just that a minority is against them, it's rather that almost no-one is for them.
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@MN5 said in Jacinda resigned:
@mikedogz said in Jacinda resigned:
@JC said in Jacinda resigned:
@mikedogz said in Jacinda resigned:
I think it will be our first ranga and then first chrome dome at the end of the year. Hipkins seems to be the front runner.
Massey! Piggy Muldoon! Mike Moore! We have a long history of smoothtop premiers.
He is the first to go the full bowling ball, I wonder if he shaves it daily.
It’s a shame combovers aren’t really a thing these days but to be fair it’s a risky do to have in Wellington.
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@Steve said in Jacinda resigned:
My contention with Ardern and her ilk is that their were certain non negotiable lines that were crossed and once crossed there is no going back.
They fucked with peoples liberty in a way I personally will never forget nor forgive.
The rest of the nuts and bolts politics I don't really care about.
But they rented our liberty to us with conditions attached. And that's treacherous.Lowest common denominator, unfortunately.
Sweden was held up as an example of what not to do, but as more data emerged it was seen as a fairly decent outcome (unless you were elderly).
IMO the Nordic populace tends to be a bit more socially minded than either NZ or Australia, and their systems have a higher level of support in terms of social welfare (BECAUSE TAX! ) Yeah they've got a percentage of fluffybunnies, but overall their systems are built for better tolerance of that.
In Sydney they started shipping people out of metro hospitals on the quiet when they reached capacity during the height of the pandemic, because people weren't doing the right thing. In a let-it-rip scenario the outcomes could have been significantly worse. On the other hand, being in one of the 7 LGAs that got fully locked down was no fun.
As of now, we've got everything we pretty much had before with a few stipulations like vaccination (and not some of those conditions are also disappearing). I don't see that as an ongoing loss of liberty. I mean a lot of daycare centres don't allow kids in unless they've had MMR which is basically the same thing, but not society-wide.
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@NTA said in Jacinda resigned:
@Steve said in Jacinda resigned:
My contention with Ardern and her ilk is that their were certain non negotiable lines that were crossed and once crossed there is no going back.
They fucked with peoples liberty in a way I personally will never forget nor forgive.
The rest of the nuts and bolts politics I don't really care about.
But they rented our liberty to us with conditions attached. And that's treacherous.Lowest common denominator, unfortunately.
Sweden was held up as an example of what not to do, but as more data emerged it was seen as a fairly decent outcome (unless you were elderly).
IMO the Nordic populace tends to be a bit more socially minded than either NZ or Australia, and their systems have a higher level of support in terms of social welfare (BECAUSE TAX! ) Yeah they've got a percentage of fluffybunnies, but overall their systems are built for better tolerance of that.
In Sydney they started shipping people out of metro hospitals on the quiet when they reached capacity during the height of the pandemic, because people weren't doing the right thing. In a let-it-rip scenario the outcomes could have been significantly worse. On the other hand, being in one of the 7 LGAs that got fully locked down was no fun.
As of now, we've got everything we pretty much had before with a few stipulations like vaccination (and not some of those conditions are also disappearing). I don't see that as an ongoing loss of liberty. I mean a lot of daycare centres don't allow kids in unless they've had MMR which is basically the same thing, but not society-wide.
I find the whole thing completely retarded mate with all due respect. As I said before , I lost a 40 year old family member to a suicide of which the ridiculous policies enforced during this shitshow we’re a contributory factor. I lost out on some lucrative work contracts. In fact I was borderline penniless for a while there.... I still can't get into the USA due to my vaccination status which would have been a place I routinely went for business.
It's quite surreal.
Throwing on a hijab is easy, closing the borders is easy. That is stroke of a pen carryon.
Where was the middle ground? Where was the common sense?
I'll never forgive and I’ll never forget.
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@mariner4life said in Jacinda resigned:
@Smudge said in Jacinda resigned:
But I'm in Queenstown for a wedding
not quite a humble brag, but maybe a subtle brag?
I try not to be humble about anything.
But yes, basically my Friday is better than yours (even if I'm working while here).
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@Smudge said in Jacinda resigned:
@mariner4life said in Jacinda resigned:
@Smudge said in Jacinda resigned:
But I'm in Queenstown for a wedding
not quite a humble brag, but maybe a subtle brag?
I try not to be humble about anything.
I do. I'm the best at being humble.