NZ v Pakistan 2022/23
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Ish on a hatrick.
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I hate to kick a guy while he’s down but could Bracewell be ANY more ineffective in this match ??????
Drop him and get KW to turn the arm over here and there now the burden of captaincy isn’t there.
He also has better first class figures than Bracewell ( 86 wickets in 157 matches at 43 vs 33 wickets in 99 matches at 47 )
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Having a think about cricket and how it really is a game that’s favoured towards batsmen.
When was the last time KW actually had a bowl ? Our premier batsman, absolutely NO doubt about that and until recently our captain. You’d still think every now and again he would have turned the arm over a bit ? ( I remember three wickets he got to nearly beat England about ten years ago so he has some talent, certainly compares favourably to some of our “specialist” spinners )
Stephen Fleming played 111 tests and NEVER had a bowl. Not once. Not a SINGLE over ( Even Brendon McCullum has a test wicket to his name ) so he must have been terrible to not have a go at least once to give the front liners a rest.
Contrast that with untold examples over the years of bowlers slogging their guts out only to put their feet up briefly while the top order failed and they were required out in the middle to save the game or get respectability. The amount of times Dan Vettori had to do that ( often partnered by McCullum after a big stint with the gloves ) was eye opening ( especially with some of the brittle top orders we had in the early to mid 2000s )
Batsmen are lazy fucks.
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@MN5 IIRC Kane got into some strife for chucking, and hasn't bowled very much since then. Assume he just decided to focus on his batting instead of trying to reinvent his bowling action. Agree though he was a very handy part timer.
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@No-Quarter He got into trouble twice so clearly has decided to give it away on basis that he remodelled his action and still got called
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4th day coming up. Pretty hard to see a result in this one.
Easier to see us losing than winning. If we have a 3rd innings collapse then they could roll us.
The pathway to victory is to take the last wicket in a hurry and then score some real quick runs in 2.5 sessions and hope that someone plants some gravel in the pitch in the evening between day 4/day 5.
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@MN5 said in NZ v Pakistan:
Having a think about cricket and how it really is a game that’s favoured towards batsmen.
When was the last time KW actually had a bowl ? Our premier batsman, absolutely NO doubt about that and until recently our captain. You’d still think every now and again he would have turned the arm over a bit ? ( I remember three wickets he got to nearly beat England about ten years ago so he has some talent, certainly compares favourably to some of our “specialist” spinners )
Stephen Fleming played 111 tests and NEVER had a bowl. Not once. Not a SINGLE over ( Even Brendon McCullum has a test wicket to his name ) so he must have been terrible to not have a go at least once to give the front liners a rest.
Contrast that with untold examples over the years of bowlers slogging their guts out only to put their feet up briefly while the top order failed and they were required out in the middle to save the game or get respectability. The amount of times Dan Vettori had to do that ( often partnered by McCullum after a big stint with the gloves ) was eye opening ( especially with some of the brittle top orders we had in the early to mid 2000s )
Batsmen are lazy fucks.
And especially when you consider most top order batsmen field in slips or gully, so they have the least amount of distance to travel during an innings.
Compare that to the bowlers, who invariably field at fine leg or in the outfield and have to run the whole length/width of the field between overs.
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@MN5 I remember a test match between India and OZ where OZ bowled 9 of their players in the Indian second innings. Even Hayden, Langer and Slater bowled. I think it was out of both desperation and to give the front liners a rest because the Indians (ie Laxman) were impossible to get out.
India won the test after being forced to follow on, but then rolled the Aussies in the 4th innings. Was an amazing test match.
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@ACT-Crusader amazing series. Laxman got 281 from memory ?
@Damo not sure how accurate that is or if it’s a generalisation but now you mention it the great close in fielders I can remember ( Ponting, M Waugh, R Taylor, Chris Harris, Jonty Rhodes off the top of my head ) were batsmen.
Or they were fatties like Gatting, Tubby Taylor, Boon, Greg Ritchie etc.
Outfielders with strong arms were usually fast bowlers, Craig McDermott is probably the most memorable for me.
Back to todays action I hope there is time for a result. I hope it’s a good one too ! C’mon KW !!!!
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@MN5 said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Damo not sure how accurate that is or if it’s a generalisation but now you mention it the great close in fielders I can remember ( Ponting, M Waugh, R Taylor, Chris Harris, Jonty Rhodes off the top of my head ) were batsmen.
Or they were fatties like Gatting, Tubby Taylor, Boon, Greg Ritchie etc.
It is just a generalisation but like most generalisations it is true enough.
Southee is about the only fast bowler I can remember ever fielding at slip/Gully.
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@Damo said in NZ v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Damo not sure how accurate that is or if it’s a generalisation but now you mention it the great close in fielders I can remember ( Ponting, M Waugh, R Taylor, Chris Harris, Jonty Rhodes off the top of my head ) were batsmen.
Or they were fatties like Gatting, Tubby Taylor, Boon, Greg Ritchie etc.
It is just a generalisation but like most generalisations it is true enough.
Southee is about the only fast bowler I can remember ever fielding at slip/Gully.
Jimmy Anderson, Alderman, Botham.
Garner in the gully.
Hadlee and Lance Cairns used to share fully fjr NZ in early 80s. Hadlee also fielded slip to spinners (bit of a weird permutation).
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@Rapido said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Damo said in NZ v Pakistan:
@MN5 said in NZ v Pakistan:
@Damo not sure how accurate that is or if it’s a generalisation but now you mention it the great close in fielders I can remember ( Ponting, M Waugh, R Taylor, Chris Harris, Jonty Rhodes off the top of my head ) were batsmen.
Or they were fatties like Gatting, Tubby Taylor, Boon, Greg Ritchie etc.
It is just a generalisation but like most generalisations it is true enough.
Southee is about the only fast bowler I can remember ever fielding at slip/Gully.
Jimmy Anderson, Alderman, Botham.
Garner in the gully.
Hadlee and Lance Cairns used to share fully fjr NZ in early 80s. Hadlee also fielded slip to spinners (bit of a weird permutation).
Alright, there are exceptions sure.
But if you look at the typical slips line up, they tend to be disproportionately top and middle order batsmen.
It does make sense that would be the case, as batsmen need to have fast reflexes, good concentration and excellent hand eye co-ordination.
