Australia v South Africa
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because there are still 7+ sessions left
(and the ACB needs the ticket revenue)
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perfect
Starc bats long enough to get hit in the head. Aus immediately declare
Starc fails concussion protocol, new bowler brought in for next innings
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@No-Quarter said in Australia v South Africa:
@mariner4life said in Australia v South Africa:
@sparky said in Australia v South Africa:
Unfasthionable opinion. David Warner is one of the great batsmen of the last 20 years and never gets the credit he deserves. To score a double ton on his 100th Test at the MCG will have been a sweet moment for him after coping a lot of shit in his career.
averages 60 in Aus, South Africa and Bangladesh
Averages 26 in England, 24 in India, 26 in the Windies, 25 in Sri Lanka and 13 in NZ. Has never scored a 100 in any of those countries
That does not say "great" to me.
Similar sorts of numbers to Latham really. And look, most batsmen pad their averages against the shit sides, but agree to be a great you should at least have a respectable record in the tougher conditions.
Don't think anyone is suggesting Tommy is a "great".
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@mariner4life said in Australia v South Africa:
perfect
Starc bats long enough to get hit in the head. Aus immediately declare
Starc fails concussion protocol, new bowler brought in for next innings
Really wasn't he already injured? Is there a bit of skullduggery going on as you can replace for concussion, but not normal injury?
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@Dan54 said in Australia v South Africa:
@mariner4life said in Australia v South Africa:
perfect
Starc bats long enough to get hit in the head. Aus immediately declare
Starc fails concussion protocol, new bowler brought in for next innings
Really wasn't he already injured? Is there a bit of skullduggery going on as you can replace for concussion, but not normal injury?
yes, that's the rules (go read how loosbuschange got his start)
but i was making that all up (it was super convenient timing though) and Starc is bowling
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@mariner4life said in Australia v South Africa:
@Dan54 said in Australia v South Africa:
@mariner4life said in Australia v South Africa:
perfect
Starc bats long enough to get hit in the head. Aus immediately declare
Starc fails concussion protocol, new bowler brought in for next innings
Really wasn't he already injured? Is there a bit of skullduggery going on as you can replace for concussion, but not normal injury?
yes, that's the rules (go read how loosbuschange got his start)
but i was making that all up (it was super convenient timing though) and Starc is bowling
Cheers mate, ya got me , I have been watching only off and on, and I thought you looked an honest man.
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@booboo said in Australia v South Africa:
@No-Quarter said in Australia v South Africa:
@mariner4life said in Australia v South Africa:
@sparky said in Australia v South Africa:
Unfasthionable opinion. David Warner is one of the great batsmen of the last 20 years and never gets the credit he deserves. To score a double ton on his 100th Test at the MCG will have been a sweet moment for him after coping a lot of shit in his career.
averages 60 in Aus, South Africa and Bangladesh
Averages 26 in England, 24 in India, 26 in the Windies, 25 in Sri Lanka and 13 in NZ. Has never scored a 100 in any of those countries
That does not say "great" to me.
Similar sorts of numbers to Latham really. And look, most batsmen pad their averages against the shit sides, but agree to be a great you should at least have a respectable record in the tougher conditions.
Don't think anyone is suggesting Tommy is a "great".
No, and my comparison was to say that Warner can't really be considered a 'great' either, he's just extremely effective and bludgeoning poor bowling attacks.
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@dogmeat said in Australia v South Africa:
@mariner4life said in [Australia v South Africa]’m(/post/804998):
This Australian side right now looks easily the best in the world.
Haven't you heard? - England are reinventing cricket
Best side ever, anywhere, any time - in the history of the game.
Nobody said that.
They are getting a lot of positive press as they are winning playing very positive cricket. Winning 9/10 tests in 2022 after failing to win 1 in previous 17.
The general talk is they are “up for the Ashes” but nobody is predicting anything, given how good Australia are and how much they will push/test the new mentality.
God forbid a team gets positive press after a stellar season.
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@MajorRage said in Australia v South Africa:
@dogmeat said in Australia v South Africa:
@mariner4life said in [Australia v South Africa]’m(/post/804998):
This Australian side right now looks easily the best in the world.
Haven't you heard? - England are reinventing cricket
Best side ever, anywhere, any time - in the history of the game.
Nobody said that.
Some of the English media have said exactly that.
Ben Stokes's England are not only saving Test cricket, they're reinventing it
England’s historic series win in Pakistan proves there’s plenty of life yet in cricket’s traditional form
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@sparky said in Australia v South Africa:
@MajorRage said in Australia v South Africa:
@dogmeat said in Australia v South Africa:
@mariner4life said in [Australia v South Africa]’m(/post/804998):
This Australian side right now looks easily the best in the world.
Haven't you heard? - England are reinventing cricket
Best side ever, anywhere, any time - in the history of the game.
Nobody said that.
Some of the English media have said exactly that.
England’s historic series win in Pakistan proves there’s plenty of life yet in cricket’s traditional form
GQ?
Please.
Anyway, the point was that nobody is saying they are the best ever, or saying they will win the ashes.
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@mariner4life said in Australia v South Africa:
@sparky said in Australia v South Africa:
Unfasthionable opinion. David Warner is one of the great batsmen of the last 20 years and never gets the credit he deserves. To score a double ton on his 100th Test at the MCG will have been a sweet moment for him after coping a lot of shit in his career.
averages 60 in Aus, South Africa and Bangladesh
Averages 26 in England, 24 in India, 26 in the Windies, 25 in Sri Lanka and 13 in NZ. Has never scored a 100 in any of those countries
That does not say "great" to me.
Yeah but of his era who is a great opener?
I agree home and away averages of 59 and 34 don’t look too good but a lot of players do plunder runs/wickets at home…..
Even our boy KW is 65/43. Struggles in the subcontinent according to Indian cricket fans
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@NTA said in Australia v South Africa:
@MN5 said in Australia v South Africa:
Even our boy KW is 65/43. Struggles in the subcontinent according to Indian cricket fans
FYB!
Bastard shit !
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@Dan54 said in Australia v South Africa:
Well if you not going to get caught out, let's take a trot between wickets and get run out. I get impression there not a lot of interest from SAs! Some of their body language in field was shocking yesterday,
304 runs to get with six wickets in hand just to make Oz bat again.
I kinda think you’re right. A combination of a motivated, brilliant team vs a disinterested, limited team only produces what we see unfolding here.
Getting run out in a test match is pretty unforgivable
They’ll lose by an innings and 220 odd I reckon.
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@MN5 said in Australia v South Africa:
Yeah but of his era who is a great opener?
no one
Alistair Cook is the only one of his time who is even close.
It's been a very poor decade for test match openers.
a quick look at the box score and i may have been a bit harsh on him. His numbers alone are right up there. To play a hundred tests as an opener and average nearly 47 is actually really good. Not all-time, even for Aus, but it's a hell of a career.
Also, we give Tom Latham a bit too much shit. The number of guys to play 50+ tests as an opener and average over 40 is not that high, and he's well inside both of those parameters
Anyway this shit summer of cricket continues and if the rest of the world aren't careful the boxing day and news years tests will only be England and India soon.
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@mariner4life said in Australia v South Africa:
@MN5 said in Australia v South Africa:
Yeah but of his era who is a great opener?
no one
Alistair Cook is the only one of his time who is even close.
It's been a very poor decade for test match openers.
a quick look at the box score and i may have been a bit harsh on him. His numbers alone are right up there. To play a hundred tests as an opener and average nearly 47 is actually really good. Not all-time, even for Aus, but it's a hell of a career.
Also, we give Tom Latham a bit too much shit. The number of guys to play 50+ tests as an opener and average over 40 is not that high, and he's well inside both of those parameters
Anyway this shit summer of cricket continues and if the rest of the world aren't careful the boxing day and news years tests will only be England and India soon.
If not all time it’s pretty damn close……and as we both point out there’s fuck all genuinely brilliant openers strutting their stuff today.
On paper it’s a better record than Justin Langers. Better than Tubby and Slats too, who were both very good players. Not quite up there with Matt Hayden, but he was superb.
Interesting having a look at Sunil Gavaskars record ( overall average of 51, incredible for an opener facing loads of Windies bowlers in their peak )
He averaged 50 at home, 52 away. He has to be in the discussions for GOAT. As you say, over 40 as an opener and the extremely unlikelihood of lots of not outs is a hell of an effort.
In other news this test is boring, Australia are ridiculous at the moment. Untouchable at home.
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From here the game plan for South Africa would be to bat positively and be around 300 at stumps. Then one and a half big sessions tomorrow morning to put on 200-250 and a sporting declaration with 1.5 sessions left on day 5. I'm not sure if the pitch will break up enough for SA bowlers to force victory.
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