Kane Williamson and Tim Southee
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Changing the subject ( in a thread I started so it’s ok )
Can anyone tell me about Blair Tickner and try and justify why he’s in the team ?
He screams “journeyman” more than John Mitchell in his days as AB coach telling us we’re going on a “journey”
From the glory days of the mid 2010s I’m really feeling we’re getting that inevitable decline ( a far cry from the Windies or Sri Lanka thankfully ) where guys get selected on the back of some pretty ordinary first class numbers.
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Maybe I'm dreaming, but it looks slightly to me like they're aiming at a more aggressive approach to tests. I can see the temptation with the Bazball success thus far, but I can't see it working if they half-arse it.
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@MN5 said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@nzzp said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@MN5 said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
But Oz themselves have a tradition of fantastic batsmen as captains
spot on - their best batsman is inevitably the captain. Paine and then Cummins are the first to really break that for decades I think
Was Tubby the best ? Probably not. Can’t argue with the rest though.
Let’s not forget that Taylor burst on the scene with a flurry of runs - 6 hundreds including a double ton, plus 8 half centuries after a dozen or so tests. He was pretty consistent thereafter but then probably got the captains curse and his batting somewhat suffered. Got some injuries as well if I recall because I remember Waugh captaining on a couple of tours before Taylor eventually retired.
But I always thought that Taylor would be the natural successor of Border.
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Also, 22 wins in 40 tests with 10 draws is absolutely phenomenal, what a golden age for NZ test cricket. Then you add the test championship on top of that and he's easily our GOAT captain.
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@No-Quarter said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
Also, 22 wins in 40 tests with 10 draws is absolutely phenomenal, what a golden age for NZ test cricket. Then you add the test championship on top of that and he's easily our GOAT captain.
I don't think he is a great captain. Not a poor one by any stretch, but in my lifetime I reckon we have had better.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@No-Quarter said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
Also, 22 wins in 40 tests with 10 draws is absolutely phenomenal, what a golden age for NZ test cricket. Then you add the test championship on top of that and he's easily our GOAT captain.
I don't think he is a great captain. Not a poor one by any stretch, but in my lifetime I reckon we have had better.
He is quite a passive captain, whereas Baz was bolder. But Kane is a far superior batsman, especially at test level
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@canefan said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@Crazy-Horse said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@No-Quarter said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
Also, 22 wins in 40 tests with 10 draws is absolutely phenomenal, what a golden age for NZ test cricket. Then you add the test championship on top of that and he's easily our GOAT captain.
I don't think he is a great captain. Not a poor one by any stretch, but in my lifetime I reckon we have had better.
He is quite a passive captain, whereas Baz was bolder. But Kane is a far superior batsman, especially at test level
Definitely the better bat, no argument there.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@canefan said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@Crazy-Horse said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@No-Quarter said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
Also, 22 wins in 40 tests with 10 draws is absolutely phenomenal, what a golden age for NZ test cricket. Then you add the test championship on top of that and he's easily our GOAT captain.
I don't think he is a great captain. Not a poor one by any stretch, but in my lifetime I reckon we have had better.
He is quite a passive captain, whereas Baz was bolder. But Kane is a far superior batsman, especially at test level
Definitely the better bat, no argument there.
The team we had in the year leading up to the WTC win was probably the best we've ever had. He made good solid decisions as well but the team was stacked. Contrast some of his decisions in the recent Oz T20 series and the T20 WC, maybe it's just that T20 isn't his strong suit
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@Crazy-Horse said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@canefan said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@Crazy-Horse said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@No-Quarter said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
Also, 22 wins in 40 tests with 10 draws is absolutely phenomenal, what a golden age for NZ test cricket. Then you add the test championship on top of that and he's easily our GOAT captain.
I don't think he is a great captain. Not a poor one by any stretch, but in my lifetime I reckon we have had better.
He is quite a passive captain, whereas Baz was bolder. But Kane is a far superior batsman, especially at test level
Definitely the better bat, no argument there.
Night and day.
I appreciated McCullum when he was on but he had a shitload of troughs in his career too.
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@canefan said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@Crazy-Horse said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@canefan said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@Crazy-Horse said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@No-Quarter said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
Also, 22 wins in 40 tests with 10 draws is absolutely phenomenal, what a golden age for NZ test cricket. Then you add the test championship on top of that and he's easily our GOAT captain.
I don't think he is a great captain. Not a poor one by any stretch, but in my lifetime I reckon we have had better.
He is quite a passive captain, whereas Baz was bolder. But Kane is a far superior batsman, especially at test level
Definitely the better bat, no argument there.
The team we had in the year leading up to the WTC win was probably the best we've ever had. He made good solid decisions as well but the team was stacked. Contrast some of his decisions in the recent Oz T20 series and the T20 WC, maybe it's just that T20 isn't his strong suit
No probables, definitely.
Most of them are firmly in the discussion for best test XI of all time.
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@MN5 said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@Crazy-Horse said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@canefan said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@Crazy-Horse said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
@No-Quarter said in Kane Williamson and Tim Southee:
Also, 22 wins in 40 tests with 10 draws is absolutely phenomenal, what a golden age for NZ test cricket. Then you add the test championship on top of that and he's easily our GOAT captain.
I don't think he is a great captain. Not a poor one by any stretch, but in my lifetime I reckon we have had better.
He is quite a passive captain, whereas Baz was bolder. But Kane is a far superior batsman, especially at test level
Definitely the better bat, no argument there.
Night and day.
I appreciated McCullum when he was on but he had a shitload of troughs in his career too.
absolutely, there was a period though when Baz was captain and Kane was scoring well which was my favourite combo. Even the fielders were rushing in and the whole whole team was positive. Obviously we also had Boult and Southee playing their part too..but that was my favourite era. We had dropped the sledging but played hard.
Kane kept that energy up for a little bit and now it has reverted to defensive test cricket approach. Hopefully Kane puts on some massive innings to help whoever is captain as I hate saying anything negative about the bloke..he is still a legend and would always like to think of him that way.
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I dunno, I think Kane was the right captain for our team. The 'Bazball' approach is great for punching above your weight at times, but carries a large amount of risk which we didn't need to take given we had world class players throughout our 11. I'm not sure we would have made the test championship final by throwing caution to the wind all the time, we were extremely consistent during that period which got us through to the final and I think our tactics were spot on for that whole period.
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One of our biggest problems of late is that Kane hasn't played much test cricket, and our standards and consistency across the whole team notably dropped away, leading to that loss against the bloody Bangles at home.
