WRWC Final - NZ Vs England
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@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Bovidae said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Bovidae said in Black Ferns v England - RWC Final:
The English defence isn't as strong as the French defence, so I'd be confident the BFs can create more scoring opportunities. They just need to take them.
The French defence is better despite losing to England?
Yes. One try each in that game despite England having 67% possession and 70% territory. France made 227 tackles.
In the pool games and QF France conceded only one other try (against SA) before playing NZ. Fiji scored 3 tries in their pool game against England and England conceded 5 in total before the SF.
Oz also sliced open their backline on the one occasion they got them going backwards and Canada regularly made breaks but weren't connected enough in attack to complete.
Don't want to sound snarky but that (very good) length of the field try that England scored and supposedly showed how they can play with expanse wasn't as great as it is being sung about IMO. The breakout from behind the line was because they knew the French fullback was down receiving attention and there was a huge amount of room that side. The rest of the French team were forward and on attack. Good execution and thinking from a turnover but it was also a non defence.
Yes this is a handful of straws I am grasping.
Kind of puzzled with this post.
Are you trying to convince yourself it wasn’t a great try?
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@Bovidae said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Bovidae said in Black Ferns v England - RWC Final:
The English defence isn't as strong as the French defence, so I'd be confident the BFs can create more scoring opportunities. They just need to take them.
The French defence is better despite losing to England?
Yes. One try each in that game despite England having 67% possession and 70% territory. France made 227 tackles.
In the pool games and QF France conceded only one other try (against SA) before playing NZ. Fiji scored 3 tries in their pool game against England and England conceded 5 in total before the SF.
Furry muff.
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@MajorRage said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Bovidae said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Joans-Town-Jones said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Bovidae said in Black Ferns v England - RWC Final:
The English defence isn't as strong as the French defence, so I'd be confident the BFs can create more scoring opportunities. They just need to take them.
The French defence is better despite losing to England?
Yes. One try each in that game despite England having 67% possession and 70% territory. France made 227 tackles.
In the pool games and QF France conceded only one other try (against SA) before playing NZ. Fiji scored 3 tries in their pool game against England and England conceded 5 in total before the SF.
Oz also sliced open their backline on the one occasion they got them going backwards and Canada regularly made breaks but weren't connected enough in attack to complete.
Don't want to sound snarky but that (very good) length of the field try that England scored and supposedly showed how they can play with expanse wasn't as great as it is being sung about IMO. The breakout from behind the line was because they knew the French fullback was down receiving attention and there was a huge amount of room that side. The rest of the French team were forward and on attack. Good execution and thinking from a turnover but it was also a non defence.
Yes this is a handful of straws I am grasping.
Kind of puzzled with this post.
Are you trying to convince yourself it wasn’t a great try?
At the time I thought that the commentary was over hyping how good it was and other media have just fed off that. It was certainly good vision to take the advantage offered, and well executed but from the moment the ball was about 20m out from their own line is was pretty clear field.
I have seen better tries this tournament and dont think it is a sign that England have finally worked out how to play running rugby. Just my opinion. -
My concern is that we'll get trapped in our own half and ground down by the English set-piece (a familiar story). We don't seem to have any distance in our kicking game which makes it hard to play for territory, basically have to rely on running it back or a string of penalties to get down the field.
I have nightmares of us getting strangled in a dour match of set piece chess, still I think if we get an early lead and make England chase the game we stand a good chance.
I'm about 80/20 for England but hope I'm wrong!
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Wayne Smith factor makes it closer to 50/50 IMO.
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@Frye said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Wayne Smith factor makes it closer to 50/50 IMO.
They have 2/3 of the 2011 cartel. The effect on the team has been dramatic
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Black Ferns team for the Final:
1: Phillipa Love (24)
2: Georgia Ponsonby (12)
3: Amy Rule (11)
4: Maiakawanakaukani Roos (13)
5: Chelsea Bremner (11)
6: Alana Bremner (12)
7: Sarah Hirini (16)
8: Charmaine McMenamin (30)
9: Kendra Cocksedge (67)
10: Ruahei Demant (25) – co-captain
11: Portia Woodman (24)
12: Theresa Fitzpatrick (17)
13: Stacey Fluhler (24)
14: Ruby Tui (9)
15: Renee Holmes (9)16: Luka Connor (13)
17: Krystal Murray (8)
18: Santo Taumata (6)
19: Joanah Ngan-Woo (16)
20: Kennedy Simon (12) – co-captain
21: Ariana Bayler (7)
22: Hazel Tubic (21)
23: Ayesha Leti-I’iga (20)Unavailable due to injury: Liana Mikaele-Tu’u
Black Ferns team named for Rugby World Cup Final
The Black Ferns team to face England for the Rugby World Cup title, at a sold-out Eden Park this Saturday, has been named.
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@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Black Ferns team for the Final:
1: Phillipa Love (24)
2: Georgia Ponsonby (12)
3: Amy Rule (11)
4: Maiakawanakaukani Roos (13)
5: Chelsea Bremner (11)
6: Alana Bremner (12)
7: Sarah Hirini (16)
8: Charmaine McMenamin (30)
9: Kendra Cocksedge (67)
10: Ruahei Demant (25) – co-captain
11: Portia Woodman (24)
12: Theresa Fitzpatrick (17)
13: Stacey Fluhler (24)
14: Ruby Tui (9)
15: Renee Holmes (9)16: Luka Connor (13)
17: Krystal Murray (8)
18: Santo Taumata (6)
19: Joanah Ngan-Woo (16)
20: Kennedy Simon (12) – co-captain
21: Ariana Bayler (7)
22: Hazel Tubic (21)
23: Ayesha Leti-I’iga (20)Unavailable due to injury: Liana Mikaele-Tu’u
A good team with one glaring exception.
I'm a big fan of Smith as a coach but WTF is this blind faith in Cocksedge?
[mod edit]Removed the last sentence. Just a joke obviously but it shifted the thread replies in a bad direction[/mod edit]
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@RoninWC said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Black Ferns team for the Final:
1: Phillipa Love (24)
2: Georgia Ponsonby (12)
3: Amy Rule (11)
4: Maiakawanakaukani Roos (13)
5: Chelsea Bremner (11)
6: Alana Bremner (12)
7: Sarah Hirini (16)
8: Charmaine McMenamin (30)
9: Kendra Cocksedge (67)
10: Ruahei Demant (25) – co-captain
11: Portia Woodman (24)
12: Theresa Fitzpatrick (17)
13: Stacey Fluhler (24)
14: Ruby Tui (9)
15: Renee Holmes (9)16: Luka Connor (13)
17: Krystal Murray (8)
18: Santo Taumata (6)
19: Joanah Ngan-Woo (16)
20: Kennedy Simon (12) – co-captain
21: Ariana Bayler (7)
22: Hazel Tubic (21)
23: Ayesha Leti-I’iga (20)Unavailable due to injury: Liana Mikaele-Tu’u
A good team with one glaring exception.
I'm a big fan of Smith as a coach but WTF is this blind faith in Cocksedge?
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Neither of the others demanded selection ahead of her tbf. Sure, they had to also overcome the experience points she gets but she directs the players around her better.
Overplayed her hand last week and I think Smith will have given her a rark up about that.
If she starts then at least there is the option of taking her off. -
McMenamin is bigger than Simon so I can sort of understand the logic. It will be interesting to see who Simon replaces. If Hirini is being outmuscled at the breakdown she should be subbed.
I expect the English forwards to bring the heat at the breakdown so Cocksedge needs to get the ball away ASAP instead of doing her Marshall traffic cop impersonation.
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@Bovidae said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
A 6:2 split on the bench for England. The BFs didn't even use two of their back reserves in the SF.
Still need them though. There isn't another 10 except playing someone like Holmes in an emergency. Always need a halfback on the bench and Ayesha as impact.
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@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@RoninWC said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Black Ferns team for the Final:
1: Phillipa Love (24)
2: Georgia Ponsonby (12)
3: Amy Rule (11)
4: Maiakawanakaukani Roos (13)
5: Chelsea Bremner (11)
6: Alana Bremner (12)
7: Sarah Hirini (16)
8: Charmaine McMenamin (30)
9: Kendra Cocksedge (67)
10: Ruahei Demant (25) – co-captain
11: Portia Woodman (24)
12: Theresa Fitzpatrick (17)
13: Stacey Fluhler (24)
14: Ruby Tui (9)
15: Renee Holmes (9)16: Luka Connor (13)
17: Krystal Murray (8)
18: Santo Taumata (6)
19: Joanah Ngan-Woo (16)
20: Kennedy Simon (12) – co-captain
21: Ariana Bayler (7)
22: Hazel Tubic (21)
23: Ayesha Leti-I’iga (20)Unavailable due to injury: Liana Mikaele-Tu’u
A good team with one glaring exception.
I'm a big fan of Smith as a coach but WTF is this blind faith in Cocksedge?
All I can think is, she must be giving him a BJ every so often or some such.
Neither of the others demanded selection ahead of her tbf. Sure, they had to also overcome the experience points she gets but she directs the players around her better.
Overplayed her hand last week and I think Smith will have given her a rark up about that.
If she starts then at least there is the option of taking her off.Respectfully disagree. I think our best performances have been with Ariana Baylor and Marino-Tauhinu.
I don't think that Cocksedge gets the most out of this team. Okay, she might boss the forwards around a little better than the other two but she is slower, her pass is worse, especially compared to Baylor and she makes stupid decisions regularly. For a player so "experienced", I think she shows no composure and her decision making just outright sucks.
And her stupid box-kicks shit me no end.
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Just need to concentrate and execute. Points will come. BFs scrum was a big positive against France. Go out and enjoy it, play their natural free-flowing game and express themselves.
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@RoninWC said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Crucial said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@RoninWC said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
@Stargazer said in WRWC Final - NZ Vs England:
Black Ferns team for the Final:
1: Phillipa Love (24)
2: Georgia Ponsonby (12)
3: Amy Rule (11)
4: Maiakawanakaukani Roos (13)
5: Chelsea Bremner (11)
6: Alana Bremner (12)
7: Sarah Hirini (16)
8: Charmaine McMenamin (30)
9: Kendra Cocksedge (67)
10: Ruahei Demant (25) – co-captain
11: Portia Woodman (24)
12: Theresa Fitzpatrick (17)
13: Stacey Fluhler (24)
14: Ruby Tui (9)
15: Renee Holmes (9)16: Luka Connor (13)
17: Krystal Murray (8)
18: Santo Taumata (6)
19: Joanah Ngan-Woo (16)
20: Kennedy Simon (12) – co-captain
21: Ariana Bayler (7)
22: Hazel Tubic (21)
23: Ayesha Leti-I’iga (20)Unavailable due to injury: Liana Mikaele-Tu’u
A good team with one glaring exception.
I'm a big fan of Smith as a coach but WTF is this blind faith in Cocksedge?
All I can think is, she must be giving him a BJ every so often or some such.
Neither of the others demanded selection ahead of her tbf. Sure, they had to also overcome the experience points she gets but she directs the players around her better.
Overplayed her hand last week and I think Smith will have given her a rark up about that.
If she starts then at least there is the option of taking her off.Respectfully disagree. I think our best performances have been with Ariana Baylor and Marino-Tauhinu.
I don't think that Cocksedge gets the most out of this team. Okay, she might boss the forwards around a little better than the other two but she is slower, her pass is worse, especially compared to Baylor and she makes stupid decisions regularly. For a player so "experienced", I think she shows no composure and her decision making just outright sucks.
And her stupid box-kicks shit me no end.
Box kicks are stupid full stop. The days of a 30m contestable kick are long gone as a viable tactic IMO.
