T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England
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@JK said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
@voodoo said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
All this talk about catches we dropped, let's not forget the lives Phillips had!
Yeah both sides spilled a few easier than chance catches last night. Wasnt the highest quality fielding from either side but particular NZ as we dont usually let ourselves down like that
Our fielding has been poor for a few seasons now hasn't it?
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@Crazy-Horse said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
@JK said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
@voodoo said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
All this talk about catches we dropped, let's not forget the lives Phillips had!
Yeah both sides spilled a few easier than chance catches last night. Wasnt the highest quality fielding from either side but particular NZ as we dont usually let ourselves down like that
Our fielding has been poor for a few seasons now hasn't it?
I dont think we typically drop catches like that but perhaps it has. I certainly cant recall the last time we threw down the stumps for a run out!
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Weather forecast looks OK for Adelaide on Friday - and Saturday in Sydney for England's game.
https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/icc-men-s-t20-world-cup-2022-23-1298134/points-table-standings
Oz has conceded over 100 runs more than us and scored about 75 less (though slightly less overs). Should be nigh on impossible for them to make up that difference - as long as we can beat Ireland.
Sri Lanka isn't a foregone conclusion for England either.
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Interesting match last night. You can need a bit of luck with T20 and thought England might win this given they had to bring their A game just to stay in the tournament.
What surprised me was not so much our dropped catches or average bowling, but the Captaincy. It was clear to all that spin/slower deliveries were having more of an effect than normal, so did we bowl more... no.
Watching Kane bat was interesting too, He didn't really throw the bat at too many shots. I suspect his elbow is still a problem and he is managing his shot selection, but just working it around doesn't help when you need to chase runs in this format.
I thought our initial bowling and fielding was poor, but restricting them to 180 should have been a chasable target on this pitch. Would have been good to see Mitchell Jr out their earlier to get his sights in.
Ironically the more accurate pace of Mark Wood probably the difference. That late (maybe 16th? over) conceding 3 and a wicket the nail in our coffin
Lets hope they take "the learnings" lol
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@bayimports said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
Interesting match last night. You can need a bit of luck with T20 and thought England might win this given they had to bring their A game just to stay in the tournament.
What surprised me was not so much our dropped catches or average bowling, but the Captaincy. It was clearly to all that spin was having more of an effect than normal, so did we bowl more... no.
Watching Kane bat was interesting too, He didn't really throw the bat at too many shots. I suspect his elbow is still a problem and he is managing his shot selection, but just working it around doesn't help when you need to chase runs in this format.
I thought our initial bowling and fielding was poor, but restricting them to 180 should have been a chasable target on this pitch. Would have been good to see Mitchell Jr out their earlier to get his sights in.
Ironically the more accurate pace of Mark Wood probably the difference. That late (maybe 16th? over) conceding 3 and a wicket the nail in our coffin
Lets hope they take "the learnings" lol
Kane is our best test batsman ever ( well actually you can possibly argue Crowe, different eras etc ) but perhaps we need to admit he’S found wanting a bit as a captain and a T20 batsman.
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@bayimports said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
Interesting match last night. You can need a bit of luck with T20 and thought England might win this given they had to bring their A game just to stay in the tournament.
What surprised me was not so much our dropped catches or average bowling, but the Captaincy. It was clearly to all that spin was having more of an effect than normal, so did we bowl more... no.
Watching Kane bat was interesting too, He didn't really throw the bat at too many shots. I suspect his elbow is still a problem and he is managing his shot selection, but just working it around doesn't help when you need to chase runs in this format.
I thought our initial bowling and fielding was poor, but restricting them to 180 should have been a chasable target on this pitch. Would have been good to see Mitchell Jr out their earlier to get his sights in.
Ironically the more accurate pace of Mark Wood probably the difference. That late (maybe 16th? over) conceding 3 and a wicket the nail in our coffin
Lets hope they take "the learnings" lol
Combination of bowler to batsman and end of wicket (due to pitch being well off centre) played a big part and was better managed by England.
A centre pitch placement removes that aspect from them. -
@MN5 I agree with your statement, I honestly think his elbow might still be a problem as we all have seen hit smash balls even in this format, but it even that is not happening lately. You can hide that still in tests, just not T20. Then there is the decision making on field and recent selections we have all argued with.
In saying all of that it can't be easy to say to your best player though, hey we might need a different captain.
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@Crucial absolutely but captains make bowling and fielding placement decisions (and even batting order) ..and we were outplayed
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@Chris-B Sri Lanka shouldn't even be playing after losing to Namibia.. I cant see England losing this at all.
For me it comes down to who out of Aus and Eng thump their opposition by how much
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@bayimports Most likely not, but they beat Ireland (comfortably), who beat England. And pushed Oz a bit - until Stoinis.
England should be as worried about them as we are about Ireland.
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@Crucial said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
@bayimports said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
Interesting match last night. You can need a bit of luck with T20 and thought England might win this given they had to bring their A game just to stay in the tournament.
What surprised me was not so much our dropped catches or average bowling, but the Captaincy. It was clearly to all that spin was having more of an effect than normal, so did we bowl more... no.
Watching Kane bat was interesting too, He didn't really throw the bat at too many shots. I suspect his elbow is still a problem and he is managing his shot selection, but just working it around doesn't help when you need to chase runs in this format.
I thought our initial bowling and fielding was poor, but restricting them to 180 should have been a chasable target on this pitch. Would have been good to see Mitchell Jr out their earlier to get his sights in.
Ironically the more accurate pace of Mark Wood probably the difference. That late (maybe 16th? over) conceding 3 and a wicket the nail in our coffin
Lets hope they take "the learnings" lol
Combination of bowler to batsman and end of wicket (due to pitch being well off centre) played a big part and was better managed by England.
A centre pitch placement removes that aspect from them.Field settings were wrong for the Gabba, I have coached teams at the Gabba.
Taking the pace off and leaving the the off side open with an in out field to force the batsmen to hit to a packed leg side field with bigger boundaries from one bowling end always works England did that.
That meant we had to fetch the ball to the leg side because we couldn't generate enough pace through the off side due to the Knuckle balls and back of the hand deliveries.
England did this well we didn't use those tactics enough or set our fields to cover the dimensions of the Gabba,
The captaincy by Kane was poor. -
@bayimports I reckon you're spot on about his elbow. I think it's stopping him practicing like a madman as well, so reflected in his results in all formats.
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@Chris-B said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
@bayimports I reckon you're spot on about his elbow. I think it's stopping him practicing like a madman as well, so reflected in his results in all formats.
Teams have worked Kane out in the 20/20s,Pace off plug the behind the wicket gaps and square between point and gully and he has no were to hit boundaries unless you drop short.
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@nzzp said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
@Kruse said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
All this talk about NRR, when it's much more likely that weather will decide who goes through, or rather... who doesn't.
will it though? People who don't go through will have dropped a game they should have won - Australia getting smoked by us; England losing to Ireland. Weather affects on the fringe, but winners will get ahead.
Hell, if we don't beat Ireland, we don't deserve to go through. A washout against AFG wouldn't disguise that.
Yeah - sure, to some extent - in that the top 3 teams are the ones with a chance to go through.
But - from here on in... if any one of the next games is rained out for one of those 3, but not the other 2 - those 2 will go through.
ie: Rain for NZ, Eng, or Aus - knocks them out.
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@Kruse said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
@nzzp said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
@Kruse said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
All this talk about NRR, when it's much more likely that weather will decide who goes through, or rather... who doesn't.
will it though? People who don't go through will have dropped a game they should have won - Australia getting smoked by us; England losing to Ireland. Weather affects on the fringe, but winners will get ahead.
Hell, if we don't beat Ireland, we don't deserve to go through. A washout against AFG wouldn't disguise that.
Yeah - sure, to some extent - in that the top 3 teams are the ones with a chance to go through.
But - from here on in... if any one of the next games is rained out for one of those 3, but not the other 2 - those 2 will go through.
ie: Rain for NZ, Eng, or Aus - knocks them out.
(Unless more than 1 game is rained out, in which case... Aus is gone.)No rain forecast for Adelaide on Friday of which both Ire v NZ and AUS vs AFG are played
Chance of a shower for Sydney on Saturday clearing in evening ENG vs SLat this stage..all games on this side of the draw that impact this outcome likely to be played
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That was still a pretty decent chase. If Kane even went 40 from 30 and had 10 deliveries to one of our more aggressive batsmen, who knows…
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@ACT-Crusader said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
That was still a pretty decent chase. If Kane even went 40 from 30 and had 10 deliveries to one of our more aggressive batsmen, who knows…
That was actually a good partnership 91 runs at a 150 SR (even with Kane sandbagging)
We really needed Neesh or Mitchell to stay in which would have given either another 10-15 balls and a chance to hit a few big shots.
GP also choked up when the wickets started falling and only struck at 100 after KW was dismissed. -
@Crucial said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
@ACT-Crusader said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
That was still a pretty decent chase. If Kane even went 40 from 30 and had 10 deliveries to one of our more aggressive batsmen, who knows…
That was actually a good partnership 91 runs at a 150 SR (even with Kane sandbagging)
We really needed Neesh or Mitchell to stay in which would have given either another 10-15 balls and a chance to hit a few big shots.
GP also choked up when the wickets started falling and only struck at 100 after KW was dismissed.At least we got our bad game over with without any major negative effects. We fielded poorly, the Pom openers had lucky breaks, and too many of our batters failed. Hopefully we can cruise past the Irish and the consolation of the Aussies failing to progress will soften the sting of losing to the English
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Kane was outstanding in the last T20 final against the Aussies, he really stood up and gave us a total we could defend. Unfortunately Marsh got going and that was that, but Kane definitely has what it takes on the biggest stage. I agree with others, he seems hampered by something and that must be his elbow, which is probably affecting his form and confidence a bit. Not convinced we should just drop him though, unless we want to go back to 50/6 type scorecards. A big positive with the chase last night was we kept wickets in hand which gave us a good chance at a big total. Neesh, Mitchell and Phillips would have backed themselves at 50 off 30 odd, to come up 20 short was a pretty disappointing finish.
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@No-Quarter said in T20 World Cup - Blackcaps vs England:
Kane was outstanding in the last T20 final against the Aussies, he really stood up and gave us a total we could defend. Unfortunately Marsh got going and that was that, but Kane definitely has what it takes on the biggest stage. I agree with others, he seems hampered by something and that must be his elbow, which is probably affecting his form and confidence a bit. Not convinced we should just drop him though, unless we want to go back to 50/6 type scorecards. A big positive with the chase last night was we kept wickets in hand which gave us a good chance at a big total. Neesh, Mitchell and Phillips would have backed themselves at 50 off 30 odd, to come up 20 short was a pretty disappointing finish.
Fair call. While we all wanted him to score faster he did an important job to stabilise the innings. We still could have won through if Neesh or Mitch Jr had been able to help Philips out
