Time Management in the game
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I totally don't want the clock stopped at all. Everything should be on a strict timer. You've got X Y Z seconds to form linout, scrum, take kick. If you don't make it, free kick to the opposition. If one of your player's is down, tough shit, carry on, no matter what. If it's your hooker or front rower for set piece, free kick to the opposition, or replace the player as the clock stops for replacements. You've got 8 on the bench FFS. Along with implementing 7s still zero tolerance, the game would be much better, faster, less impact and injuries - just get a move on.
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Remember the ELVs?
Nearly everything adopted except for the bits that sped up the game.
NH had a huge fear of faster play, understandably because their games at the time were slower and players didn't have the same speed of thought as an instinct.
The NH games have changed now and that instinctive play is noticeably improved from the times you could almost see a midfielder thinking.Penalty kicks are generally to be given only for offside and foul play. Most other penalties will become free kicks, with the option of taking a scrum as in the current laws, which cannot be used for a kick at goal or a dropped goal.
This didn't stop resets as a reset could be called for a FK. This was probably a sook to the NH setpiece based game at the time.
I can also see that a team with a weak scrum could just give away a FK and avoid another scrum, effectively taking the forwards out of the game.
It is already the case that successive FKs become penalties so I don't see endless resets.From Wikipedia -
Trials in Australia
- The ball spent more time in play, producing a faster game.
Fewer penalties (kicks at goal) were given.
More free kicks were awarded, but were usually run instantly, producing quick play-ons.
Forwards and backs line up against each other more often, blurring the lines of traditional positional play.
One of the main 'worries' which does have some merit is a concern about a faster game changing the fundamentals of participation at community levels.
Why not have law variations for professionals?
- The ball spent more time in play, producing a faster game.
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@Crucial said in Time Management in the game:
Remember the ELVs?
Nearly everything adopted except for the bits that sped up the game.
NH had a huge fear of faster play, understandably because their games at the time were slower and players didn't have the same speed of thought as an instinct.
The NH games have changed now and that instinctive play is noticeably improved from the times you could almost see a midfielder thinking.Penalty kicks are generally to be given only for offside and foul play. Most other penalties will become free kicks, with the option of taking a scrum as in the current laws, which cannot be used for a kick at goal or a dropped goal.
This didn't stop resets as a reset could be called for a FK. This was probably a sook to the NH setpiece based game at the time.
I can also see that a team with a weak scrum could just give away a FK and avoid another scrum, effectively taking the forwards out of the game.
It is already the case that successive FKs become penalties so I don't see endless resets.From Wikipedia -
Trials in Australia
- The ball spent more time in play, producing a faster game.
Fewer penalties (kicks at goal) were given.
More free kicks were awarded, but were usually run instantly, producing quick play-ons.
Forwards and backs line up against each other more often, blurring the lines of traditional positional play.
One of the main 'worries' which does have some merit is a concern about a faster game changing the fundamentals of participation at community levels.
Why not have law variations for professionals?
Variations for pros are already in, like TMO. So I'm totally on board with rules around time getting stricter as level goes up.
- The ball spent more time in play, producing a faster game.
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@Machpants said in Time Management in the game:
I totally don't want the clock stopped at all. Everything should be on a strict timer. You've got X Y Z seconds to form linout, scrum, take kick. If you don't make it, free kick to the opposition. If one of your player's is down, tough shit, carry on, no matter what. If it's your hooker or front rower for set piece, free kick to the opposition, or replace the player as the clock stops for replacements. You've got 8 on the bench FFS. Along with implementing 7s still zero tolerance, the game would be much better, faster, less impact and injuries - just get a move on.
As much as it bugs me too, we have to be careful when it comes to stopping for injuries. Player welfare is a biggie. All it needs is for one player to be seriously injured and assistance doesn't reach him on time because of the game situation for rugby to be in the poo.
A disincentive to help stop the fake injury breaks would be good. Maybe something like they have in Soccer. If you go down needing assistance you go to the sideline until next stop in play.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Time Management in the game:
@Machpants said in Time Management in the game:
I totally don't want the clock stopped at all. Everything should be on a strict timer. You've got X Y Z seconds to form linout, scrum, take kick. If you don't make it, free kick to the opposition. If one of your player's is down, tough shit, carry on, no matter what. If it's your hooker or front rower for set piece, free kick to the opposition, or replace the player as the clock stops for replacements. You've got 8 on the bench FFS. Along with implementing 7s still zero tolerance, the game would be much better, faster, less impact and injuries - just get a move on.
As much as it bugs me too, we have to be careful when it comes to stopping for injuries. Player welfare is a biggie. All it needs is for one player to be seriously injured and assistance doesn't reach him on time because of the game situation for rugby to be in the poo.
A disincentive to help stop the fake injury breaks would be good. Maybe something like they have in Soccer. If you go down needing assistance you go to the sideline until next stop in play.
How is anything different to the current situation in that regard? Refs will stop play if they see a serious injury or if informed by med staff or other players.
Maybe some team could try and take the piss by feigning a serious injury but I think refs would have a good read on that. -
@Crazy-Horse said in Time Management in the game:
@Machpants said in Time Management in the game:
I totally don't want the clock stopped at all. Everything should be on a strict timer. You've got X Y Z seconds to form linout, scrum, take kick. If you don't make it, free kick to the opposition. If one of your player's is down, tough shit, carry on, no matter what. If it's your hooker or front rower for set piece, free kick to the opposition, or replace the player as the clock stops for replacements. You've got 8 on the bench FFS. Along with implementing 7s still zero tolerance, the game would be much better, faster, less impact and injuries - just get a move on.
As much as it bugs me too, we have to be careful when it comes to stopping for injuries. Player welfare is a biggie. All it needs is for one player to be seriously injured and assistance doesn't reach him on time because of the game situation for rugby to be in the poo.
A disincentive to help stop the fake injury breaks would be good. Maybe something like they have in Soccer. If you go down needing assistance you go to the sideline until next stop in play.
As I said, you go down, time stops, and you must be replaced. If it is not that bad, carry on.
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I posted a while ago. Nigel owens wrote a piece about this a while ago. After Bok 1. He’s very concerned about this subject ruining the game and had a handful of suggestions
Two I remember. You can have eight replacements sitting on the bench but you can only use three (might have been four)
If you go down with an injury you go off immediately to get checked by a Dr
As an aside he also said he reviewed the Wallaby game and said it was brave and accurate refereeing
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@Machpants said in Time Management in the game:
@Crazy-Horse said in Time Management in the game:
@Machpants said in Time Management in the game:
I totally don't want the clock stopped at all. Everything should be on a strict timer. You've got X Y Z seconds to form linout, scrum, take kick. If you don't make it, free kick to the opposition. If one of your player's is down, tough shit, carry on, no matter what. If it's your hooker or front rower for set piece, free kick to the opposition, or replace the player as the clock stops for replacements. You've got 8 on the bench FFS. Along with implementing 7s still zero tolerance, the game would be much better, faster, less impact and injuries - just get a move on.
As much as it bugs me too, we have to be careful when it comes to stopping for injuries. Player welfare is a biggie. All it needs is for one player to be seriously injured and assistance doesn't reach him on time because of the game situation for rugby to be in the poo.
A disincentive to help stop the fake injury breaks would be good. Maybe something like they have in Soccer. If you go down needing assistance you go to the sideline until next stop in play.
As I said, you go down, time stops, and you must be replaced. If it is not that bad, carry on.
@Machpants said in Time Management in the game:
@Crazy-Horse said in Time Management in the game:
@Machpants said in Time Management in the game:
I totally don't want the clock stopped at all. Everything should be on a strict timer. You've got X Y Z seconds to form linout, scrum, take kick. If you don't make it, free kick to the opposition. If one of your player's is down, tough shit, carry on, no matter what. If it's your hooker or front rower for set piece, free kick to the opposition, or replace the player as the clock stops for replacements. You've got 8 on the bench FFS. Along with implementing 7s still zero tolerance, the game would be much better, faster, less impact and injuries - just get a move on.
As I said, you go down, time stops, and you must be replaced. If it is not that bad, carry on.
But that doesn't stop fake injuries, or exaggeration, in soccer.
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@Rapido said in Time Management in the game:
@Machpants said in Time Management in the game:
@Crazy-Horse said in Time Management in the game:
@Machpants said in Time Management in the game:
I totally don't want the clock stopped at all. Everything should be on a strict timer. You've got X Y Z seconds to form linout, scrum, take kick. If you don't make it, free kick to the opposition. If one of your player's is down, tough shit, carry on, no matter what. If it's your hooker or front rower for set piece, free kick to the opposition, or replace the player as the clock stops for replacements. You've got 8 on the bench FFS. Along with implementing 7s still zero tolerance, the game would be much better, faster, less impact and injuries - just get a move on.
As much as it bugs me too, we have to be careful when it comes to stopping for injuries. Player welfare is a biggie. All it needs is for one player to be seriously injured and assistance doesn't reach him on time because of the game situation for rugby to be in the poo.
A disincentive to help stop the fake injury breaks would be good. Maybe something like they have in Soccer. If you go down needing assistance you go to the sideline until next stop in play.
As I said, you go down, time stops, and you must be replaced. If it is not that bad, carry on.
@Machpants said in Time Management in the game:
@Crazy-Horse said in Time Management in the game:
@Machpants said in Time Management in the game:
I totally don't want the clock stopped at all. Everything should be on a strict timer. You've got X Y Z seconds to form linout, scrum, take kick. If you don't make it, free kick to the opposition. If one of your player's is down, tough shit, carry on, no matter what. If it's your hooker or front rower for set piece, free kick to the opposition, or replace the player as the clock stops for replacements. You've got 8 on the bench FFS. Along with implementing 7s still zero tolerance, the game would be much better, faster, less impact and injuries - just get a move on.
As I said, you go down, time stops, and you must be replaced. If it is not that bad, carry on.
But that doesn't stop fake injuries, or exaggeration, in soccer.
You don't have to be replaced if you go down fake in soccer. My rules: If the ref stops time, the player that caused the stop is injured and permanently off. That's it, the injury is either ignored by ref/players, game carries on (just like now) and if you can't action set pices because of it the opposition gets the ball. If the ref has to stop or is asked to stop time then that player is off. No ifs or buts, gone.
