Beer thread
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@nostrildamus said in Beer thread:
how was old man yells at cloud? Looks good.
Did what it said on the tin i.e. hazy as fuck. Quite tasty post-dinner and gave me a nice warm buzz sitting on the couch.
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@NTA said in Beer thread:
@nostrildamus said in Beer thread:
how was old man yells at cloud? Looks good.
Did what it said on the tin i.e. hazy as fuck. Quite tasty post-dinner and gave me a nice warm buzz sitting on the couch.
And the IBU one? Also what is says on the tin - hoppy as fuckery?
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@Kruse said in Beer thread:
@NTA said in Beer thread:
@nostrildamus said in Beer thread:
how was old man yells at cloud? Looks good.
Did what it said on the tin i.e. hazy as fuck. Quite tasty post-dinner and gave me a nice warm buzz sitting on the couch.
And the IBU one? Also what is says on the tin - hoppy as fuckery?
Will let you know.
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@NTA said in Beer thread:
Picked up takeaway from a joint in our old suburb a few km away. Good burgers and seafood.
Anyway the other good part about that little mall is the bottle shop next to said takeaway. They're an independent with an interesting array of stuff, including smaller breweries and a fair bit of foreign stuff you don't typically see in your chain retailer.
Tonight I saw this, but didn't buy it despite my intrigue:
Bacchus is the god of wine, not beer.
I wouldnât have bought it either. You did the right thing.
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@NTA said in Beer thread:
Instead I grabbed one each of these:
Two of my all time favourite beers from one of Australia's best breweries.
That "I can has IBU? V2 is a throw back to the IBU (International Bitterness Units) wars where breweries competed to see who could get the highest IBU's in a beer.
And as always, to get a bit of balance in the beer, with such high IBUs, you need high ABV or BU/GU ratio where BU stands for Bitterness Units and GU stands for Gravity Units and at 8.7% is big, very big.
When home brewing you look to get the BU/GU balance just right for the particular style you're brewing.
@NTA the Double IPA version of Old Man Yells at Clouds at 9% ABV is an absolute ripper if you can get your hands on it.
This is my latest all grain brew out of my BeerDroid, a 9% Hazy DDH IIIPA with a huge 27.5 g of hops per litre of beer. More than 125g of hops were used in the second dry hop addition.
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I went for my annual medical yesterday. Had moderated beer intake for a week so blood pressure was good.
I'm a little concerned that I am overdoing the walking (averaging 85km a week) however Doc said it's fine but invest is some good shoes.
I then fessed up that my feet are treacherous and despite what my brain says they inevitably lead me to
The bar? my Dr interrupts
Yes I admit and wait for the lecture
"3-4 beers a night isn't going to do you too much physical harm and if it helps you relax and de-stress it's all good. You've got to make sure the years you have left are good years"
If anyone wants a referral I can pass on his details
I did query the italicised clause to make sure we were both talking multiple decades
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@Kruse said in Beer thread:
@NTA said in Beer thread:
@nostrildamus said in Beer thread:
how was old man yells at cloud? Looks good.
Did what it said on the tin i.e. hazy as fuck. Quite tasty post-dinner and gave me a nice warm buzz sitting on the couch.
And the IBU one? Also what is says on the tin - hoppy as fuckery?
Christ is it what! And @RoninWC wasn't kidding about the bitterness. A distance from my preferred easy drinking, but after the initial "hit" mid-palate, the aftertaste is quite good.
I definitely didn't lose taste or smell with COVID because I'm getting every bit.
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Steinlager has the characteristic off-flavours of an NZ pilsner, but it balances them with malt and hops. It is vastly better than truly diabolical beers like Emerson's Pilsner, or McCloud's Longborder - those are terrible beers, that aren't properly lagered, and are dominated by one awful off-flavour. No one drinks that absolute garbage overseas.
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@Tim said in Beer thread:
Steinlager has the characteristic off-flavours of an NZ pilsner, but it balances them with malt and hops. It is vastly better than truly diabolical beers like Emerson's Pilsner, or McCloud's Longborder - those are terrible beers, that aren't properly lagered, and are dominated by one awful off-flavour. No one drinks that absolute garbage overseas.
While ranting on pilsner can you explain the connection and almost obsession with the style from âareas of the internetâ?
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@Crucial said in Beer thread:
@Tim said in Beer thread:
Steinlager has the characteristic off-flavours of an NZ pilsner, but it balances them with malt and hops. It is vastly better than truly diabolical beers like Emerson's Pilsner, or McCloud's Longborder - those are terrible beers, that aren't properly lagered, and are dominated by one awful off-flavour. No one drinks that absolute garbage overseas.
While ranting on pilsner can you explain the connection and almost obsession with the style from âareas of the internetâ?
Seems like weird memes, yacht rock and pilsner have some sort of link.Calling a Steinlager a Pilsner is up there with calling a Tui a pale ale
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@MN5 said in Beer thread:
@Crucial said in Beer thread:
@Tim said in Beer thread:
Steinlager has the characteristic off-flavours of an NZ pilsner, but it balances them with malt and hops. It is vastly better than truly diabolical beers like Emerson's Pilsner, or McCloud's Longborder - those are terrible beers, that aren't properly lagered, and are dominated by one awful off-flavour. No one drinks that absolute garbage overseas.
While ranting on pilsner can you explain the connection and almost obsession with the style from âareas of the internetâ?
Seems like weird memes, yacht rock and pilsner have some sort of link.Calling a Steinlager a Pilsner is up there with calling a Tui a pale ale
I'm partial to Steinlager, it's a clean beer. I'd hesitate to call it Pilsner, but green bullet hops are underrated.
Joe Wood from Liberty famously loves it, and serves it decanted to beer nerds -
@MN5 said in Beer thread:
@Crucial said in Beer thread:
@Tim said in Beer thread:
Steinlager has the characteristic off-flavours of an NZ pilsner, but it balances them with malt and hops. It is vastly better than truly diabolical beers like Emerson's Pilsner, or McCloud's Longborder - those are terrible beers, that aren't properly lagered, and are dominated by one awful off-flavour. No one drinks that absolute garbage overseas.
While ranting on pilsner can you explain the connection and almost obsession with the style from âareas of the internetâ?
Seems like weird memes, yacht rock and pilsner have some sort of link.Calling a Steinlager a Pilsner is up there with calling a Tui a pale ale
In reality though Pilsner just means lager. Then there are styles. Steinlager is akin to a âEuropean style pilsnerâ as I think it was modelled on Heineken.
I have no idea what the âoff flavoursâ @Tim refers to are. Off flavours are a result of bad brewing and not just flavours you donât like in your idea of a style or your own taste. Emersonâs for example is a very well made lager but uses Riwaka hops so has that green pineapple taste which some love, some donât.
Itâs like saying NZ Sav Blanc has off flavours compared to an old world French one.
If you like the taste, drink it. If you donât, donât. But itâs not a bad beer if made with skill, just not to your taste. -
@Crucial said in Beer thread:
@MN5 said in Beer thread:
Calling a Steinlager a Pilsner is up there with calling a Tui a pale ale
In reality though Pilsner just means lager. Then there are styles. Steinlager is akin to a âEuropean style pilsnerâ as I think it was modelled on Heineken.
@Crucial sorry but not quite...
A famous quote in brewing "A pilsner is a lager, but not all lagers are pilsners."There are some differences but those differences are quite subtle.
One of the coolest things in modern brewing is that New Zealand Pilsners have become a recognized style and are loved world wide, particularly in the US. Taking a traditional brewing style and using the unique hops found in Aotearoa, NZ Pilsners have become very popular.
"New Zealand Pilsners are a kiwi twist on a traditional Pilsner where the traditional herbal, spicy hops are replaced with tropical fruity NZ hops"
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@RoninWC said in Beer thread:
@Crucial said in Beer thread:
@MN5 said in Beer thread:
Calling a Steinlager a Pilsner is up there with calling a Tui a pale ale
In reality though Pilsner just means lager. Then there are styles. Steinlager is akin to a âEuropean style pilsnerâ as I think it was modelled on Heineken.
@Crucial sorry but not quite...
A famous quote in brewing "A pilsner is a lager, but not all lagers are pilsners."There are some differences but those differences are quite subtle.
One of the coolest things in modern brewing is that New Zealand Pilsners have become a recognized style and are loved world wide, particularly in the US. Taking a traditional brewing style and using the unique hops found in Aotearoa, NZ Pilsners have become very popular.
"New Zealand Pilsners are a kiwi twist on a traditional Pilsner where the traditional herbal, spicy hops are replaced with tropical fruity NZ hops"
as in..there are amber and dark lagers (and pilsners are only pale lagers)? Asked from a position of currently sober ignorance.
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@nostrildamus said in Beer thread:
@RoninWC said in Beer thread:
@Crucial said in Beer thread:
@MN5 said in Beer thread:
Calling a Steinlager a Pilsner is up there with calling a Tui a pale ale
In reality though Pilsner just means lager. Then there are styles. Steinlager is akin to a âEuropean style pilsnerâ as I think it was modelled on Heineken.
@Crucial sorry but not quite...
A famous quote in brewing "A pilsner is a lager, but not all lagers are pilsners."There are some differences but those differences are quite subtle.
One of the coolest things in modern brewing is that New Zealand Pilsners have become a recognized style and are loved world wide, particularly in the US. Taking a traditional brewing style and using the unique hops found in Aotearoa, NZ Pilsners have become very popular.
"New Zealand Pilsners are a kiwi twist on a traditional Pilsner where the traditional herbal, spicy hops are replaced with tropical fruity NZ hops"
as in..there are amber and dark lagers (and pilsners are only pale lagers)? Asked from a position of currently sober ignorance.
"Pilsners are a type of lager. Both are bottom-fermented, which means they both contain high levels of ethanol. However, while pilsners contain a lot of the bittering hops used to make traditional pilsner beer thus pilsners tend to have more hop-forward flavors, while lagers contain less or no hops at all. Pilsner also called pils, is originally from the city of Plzen in the Czech Republic and uses different yeast from lagers in their brewing."
Larger originated in Germany and come in three main types:
Light (with an alcohol content of 3%), medium (4-5%), and dark (6-8%)
Also, Larger can have fruit added such as what you see out of Belgium.Another key difference is the use of Pilsner Malt in Pilsners, obviously. Pilsner malt, and I use it quite a lot in my Hazy brews, is a light malt that imparts minimal colour and malty flavour to your beer. So these days Pilsner Malt get's used in a variety of types of beers due to its light colour and quite neutral flavour.
One last but subtle difference is the water profiles you can use when brewing. When comparing water from Pilsen in the Czech Republic versus say Munich, there is a bit of a difference with the Pilsen being a softer water profile.
However, when home brewing, you can use the same water profile to brew either a Pilsner or Larger in reality.
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@RoninWC said in Beer thread:
@nostrildamus said in Beer thread:
@RoninWC said in Beer thread:
@Crucial said in Beer thread:
@MN5 said in Beer thread:
Calling a Steinlager a Pilsner is up there with calling a Tui a pale ale
In reality though Pilsner just means lager. Then there are styles. Steinlager is akin to a âEuropean style pilsnerâ as I think it was modelled on Heineken.
@Crucial sorry but not quite...
A famous quote in brewing "A pilsner is a lager, but not all lagers are pilsners."There are some differences but those differences are quite subtle.
One of the coolest things in modern brewing is that New Zealand Pilsners have become a recognized style and are loved world wide, particularly in the US. Taking a traditional brewing style and using the unique hops found in Aotearoa, NZ Pilsners have become very popular.
"New Zealand Pilsners are a kiwi twist on a traditional Pilsner where the traditional herbal, spicy hops are replaced with tropical fruity NZ hops"
as in..there are amber and dark lagers (and pilsners are only pale lagers)? Asked from a position of currently sober ignorance.
"Pilsners are a type of lager. Both are bottom-fermented, which means they both contain high levels of ethanol. However, while pilsners contain a lot of the bittering hops used to make traditional pilsner beer thus pilsners tend to have more hop-forward flavors, while lagers contain less or no hops at all. Pilsner also called pils, is originally from the city of Plzen in the Czech Republic and uses different yeast from lagers in their brewing."
Larger originated in Germany and come in three main types:
Light (with an alcohol content of 3%), medium (4-5%), and dark (6-8%)
Also, Larger can have fruit added such as what you see out of Belgium.Another key difference is the use of Pilsner Malt in Pilsners, obviously. Pilsner malt, and I use it quite a lot in my Hazy brews, is a light malt that imparts minimal colour and malty flavour to your beer. So these days Pilsner Malt get's used in a variety of types of beers due to its light colour and quite neutral flavour.
One last but subtle difference is the water profiles you can use when brewing. When comparing water from Pilsen in the Czech Republic versus say Munich, there is a bit of a difference with the Pilsen being a softer water profile.
However, when home brewing, you can use the same water profile to brew either a Pilsner or Larger in reality.
That tends to be more American style fruit beers than Belgian. I don't think I have ever seen a lager based fruit beer from Belgium although given the vast array of styles there they may exist.
Belgian fruit beers are usually on a Lambic, Saison or Brett base from my experience.