Wallabies v Springboks 1
-
@Rapido said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
That still above isnt the moment of contact. Daylight (or rather, a different wallabies jersey) between them.
I have checked and there is contact before the ball carrier leaves the ground.
As I said, he is certainly trying to leap but if his feet are still on the ground he hasn't leaped yet (despite shifting body weight) IMO.
Even if he is deemed to be leaping into the tackle that doesn't make the tackle legal though.
-
-
@Derpus said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@Crucial Except you can clearly see an attempt from Koroibete's right hand - in your own still (a fucking stupid way to assess this shit) - to wrap.
Bit hard when the dude jumps into you and you are moving at the speed of sound.
Attempt, yes. Did he wrap? No. (not in my opinion). Yes, it is hard when things change in front of you faster than you can react but that's the game and probably loads of penalties. Timing is important.
However the ref was at least consistent in his rulings as he also allowed no arms dives at the lower legs with late attempts to wrap.
-
-
@Derpus said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@Crucial yeah because Mapimpi turned and jumped into contact. The only person endangering Mapimpi was Mapimpi.
Are Mapimpi's feet on the ground when the contact is made? Yes.
Are we talking about danger from him flying in the air? No.
Do the laws state this "A player must not charge or knock down an opponent carrying the ball without attempting to grasp that player."? Yes.I am happy that it is all in a split second and my view is not definitive. All I am saying is that it is a tight interpretative decision that wasn't looked at in that respect.
Shoulder charges and flying missile 'tackles' are not part of Union. Watch league if you want those.
-
-
@KiwiMurph said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
It's not a shoulder charge. He attempted to wrap.
In an Owen Farrell kind of way.
-
@KiwiMurph said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
It's not a shoulder charge. He attempted to wrap.
Surely there is a difference in "wrapping" and "attempted/attempting to wrap"?
-
@Higgins said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@KiwiMurph said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
It's not a shoulder charge. He attempted to wrap.
Surely there is a difference in "wrapping" and "attempted/attempting to wrap"?
Shall we call the latter the Vanilla Ice tackle method?
-
@Crucial i think two things can be true at the same time. For me Williams made two bad mistakes against South Africa (and if i was an Aussie id find as many at least as many going the other way) For the record its the scrum penalty on the line where slipper went square to the scrum and line out drive in the second half when 19 canary tackled the maul down it was ruled that South Africa brought it down. I guess i can add backend block Reight did for his second try, but those are rarely picked up.
The frustration is with a lot of big calls that were in referee discretion that didnt go our way, the high tackle on Lolesio VS the first Koriobete tackle on Vermeulen, the skew throw called against Dweba, the high tackle on Reight on the goal line, the second warning for maul offenses against Faainga, the Koriobete tackle, the de Klerk slap. Individually non of those calls were wrong per se, but we didnt get lucky, or were unlucky with how the chips fell in a lot of those cases. Had these 50 50 calls been split more evenly there would be far less complaints, but we wouldnt have won.
But regardless of how Williams performed, we lost this one on the back of a number of individual errors. You can't simply miss the opening kick off of the gamen, miss a second one later on, have your kicker go 1 from 3 off easy kicks, knock the ball on something like 12 times and have at least two grubbers charged down when youre on attack.
A bunch of very important players are not playing well at the moment, Pollard, Vermeulen and PSDT are in poor form and Rasnaber are trying to play them into form and you cant do that at this at test level. Steyn hasnt played rugby at a decent level for a number years, but he is in squad to give him game time. Dweba is a better player than he has shown in last two games, but the squad selction and doctrine of having Marx on the bench is painting them into corner.
Im less angry about this loss than i was about Ellis Park, which I felt was more of gutless performance. This one was had a lot of players letting the team down, but the effort was at least there.
-
-
@antipodean said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
On a serious note, FAF was intentional in his actions. He was nowhere near the ball.
More importantly, he should have been penalised for the tackle of a downed man.
Possibly YC
-
@MiketheSnow isnt the rule you can't dive on him?
-
@SidBarret said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@MiketheSnow isnt the rule you can't dive on him?
Exactly
-
@MiketheSnow Faf should never took a swipe in the first place. Thing is Saffers culture is to come back harder on the field, never diving or acting. That's more Aussies line. I througt that was a perfect boxing right, perfect swing, connecting perfect the way he dive.
Aussie addition to rugby. It's a shame to see this on a rugby pitch.
-
@OomPB said in Wallabies v Springboks 1:
@MiketheSnow Faf should never took a swipe in the first place. Thing is Saffers culture is to come back harder on the field, never diving or acting. That's more Aussies line. I througt that was a perfect boxing right, perfect swing, connecting perfect the way he dive.
Aussie addition to rugby. It's a shame to see this on a rugby pitch.
It’s a shame to see a great player like Faf do this on a rugby pitch also.
Petty, but petulant and premeditated
Deserves his sanction
No place for it
