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Canes4life

I read somewhere not too long ago that Plumtree was excited yo work with the kid so that says it all really. 
Id say Peter Umaga Jensen is 99% garaunteed a spot in the Canes next year. He is already in the environment and has been killing it for Wanui scoring something like 7 tries in 3 games over the last three weeks. He is carrying that impressive strike rate from school rugby. Still only 18 aswell. 
He will bring so much more to the side than boring old James Marshall. 
A back three of 11. Julian Savea 14 Nehe Milner Skudder 15. Peter Umaga Jensen will be deadly in years to come.

Higgins

Well if John Plumtree is allegedly excitedly to work with the guy why then is he not getting selected to play, which is what he is getting paid for? It is taken that he is finally not injured given by his absence in the not released because of injury list. Interesting to note that he is also not listed as starting for either his Club's first or second XVs so how can he justify receiving his salary when he is hardly ever available for, nor selected for, either his club team nor the team he is drawing a decent salary from (Hurricanes). Either he is a player or he isn't. There is very little evidence to show he is actually a player other than the wages returns from the NZRFU sent to the Inland Revenue Department.

Stargazer

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Well if John Plumtree is allegedly excitedly to work with the guy why then is he not getting selected to play, which is what he is getting paid for? It is taken that he is finally not injured given by his absence in the not released because of injury list. Interesting to note that he is also not listed as starting for either his Club's first or second XVs so how can he justify receiving his salary when he is hardly ever available for, nor selected for, either his club team nor the team he is drawing a decent salary from (Hurricanes). Either he is a player or he isn't. There is very little evidence to show he is actually a player other than the wages returns from the NZRFU sent to the Inland Revenue Department. 
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Peter Umaga-Jensen doesn't have a Hurricanes contract; not even WTG, so he doesn't get paid. I think he's just in that Hurricanes development group where you find a lot of Mitre 10 Cup level players from the catchment area. Don't think he's any different from players like Jonah Lowe, Mason Emerson, Trent Boswell-Wakefield (to name a few from the Bay) who have played for the Hurricanes development team this year. He'll also be competing with Lowe and Emerson for next year's contracts. Umaga-Jensen has signed his first contract with Wellington Rugby only late last year/early this year; has he even played one single ITM Cup game?

Higgins

i was not referring to Peter Umaga-Jensen (who I watched play yesterday and was impressed with his ability to break tackles with powerful running and subtle hip swerves) but specifically Hugh Renton who is getting paid and very seldom plays for anyone. Incidentally, HB fan that you are Stargazer, Marvan Karawana also played in the game and again did nothing to indicate how he was ever given a HB contract a couple of seasons back. One special missed tackle on the Fijian guy that played in the Heartland Championship at 2nd five for Buller that resulted in a try was rather reminiscent of those nightmaresh days for us Bay supporters.

hydro11

The situation is that you need to sign up young players because if you don't someone else will. That's why all these people are given contracts even though they clearly aren't the best players.

Higgins

Well then there is very little wonder reasonably good players head off overseas when they are overlooked for young players of potential rather than players that are actually proven to be better than them. Willis Haloholo only recently a good example of this. I watched him play for his club Saturday week ago and whilst he did not get all that much involved (play really did not go his way that much) when he did he ran beautiful lines at speed and timed his passes perfectly. I have not really been a fan of his but after watching him closely I have to say he has gone up in my opinion. Strange that he would probably have been overlooked by the Hurricanes next season for the next promising young whizzkid when someone overseas is prepared to pay good money to get their hands on him.

taniwharugby

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i was not referring to Peter Umaga-Jensen (who I watched play yesterday and was impressed with his ability to break tackles with powerful running and subtle hip swerves) but specifically Hugh Renton who is getting paid and very seldom plays for anyone. Incidentally, HB fan that you are Stargazer, Marvan Karawana also played in the game and again did nothing to indicate how he was ever given a HB contract a couple of seasons back. One special missed tackle on the Fijian guy that played in the Heartland Championship at 2nd five for Buller that resulted in a try was rather reminiscent of those nightmaresh days for us Bay supporters.
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I always did think it odd that given HBs standing compared to Northland those few years back, that Karawana couldnt get a contract up here, yet could in HB!

Nepia

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I always did think it odd that given HBs standing compared to Northland those few years back, that Karawana couldnt get a contract up here, yet could in HB! 
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We had some kind of shitty league convert quota going on at the time. It was that Penrith bloke before him.
 
I've actually tried to bring up how/why Karawana arrived in HB with one of the coaches but he keeps very quiet about it.

Canes4life

Peter Umaga Jensen doesnt have a contract. I never said he did but he is defs in their environment. He has been training with the Canes all year so Id say the coaches have bigger wraps on him than the likes of Lowe and Emerson who havent been near the environment at all.

Nepia

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Peter Umaga Jensen doesnt have a contract. I never said he did but he is defs in their environment. He has been training with the Canes all year so Id say the coaches have bigger wraps on him than the likes of Lowe and Emerson who havent been near the environment at all.
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That's no surprise, the Canes have always been backward when it comes to young HB players.

Stargazer

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That's no surprise, the Canes have always been backward when it comes to young HB players.
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That, and nepotism.

Higgins

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Peter Umaga Jensen doesnt have a contract. I never said he did but he is defs in their environment. He has been training with the Canes all year so Id say the coaches have bigger wraps on him than the likes of Lowe and Emerson who havent been near the environment at all.
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Right then that raises an interesting question on why this is happening and who exactly is paying the bills for him to be involved. I presume the NZRFU foot the bills for the coaching and other ancillary staff thus money of all members of all rugby clubs in New Zealand is being used to train up a player who at this stage is solely going to represent the Wellington Football union rather than NZ as a whole.
 
I know the Hurricanes is some sort of private organisation in which the WRFU, the Horowhenua-Kapiti RFU and a private organisation (Wellnix?) are the shareholders and it is them that are probably meeting the costs of most, if not all, other costs involved but if I was one of the two non WRFU shareholders I would be annoyed if my resources were being poured into subsidising the development of someone who at this stage will not return anything to me as a result.
 
I hope the Hurricanes organisation is sending a bill to the WRFU (or directly to the player concerned) to ensure they front up with their fair share of the money involved that goes towards his training. You can just imagine the response if someone asked the International Rugby Academy of NZ to allow someone to attend their courses at no charge. Iâ€™m sure that would be met with a thanks but no thanks sort of answer.

Dice

It looks like Will Talataina-Mu is training with the Blues. He's quite a handy player and is probably the form 10 in club rugby this year. He's played mostly in the midfield since he left school, but this year he's played all his rugby at 10. I like that he's solely stationed at 10 this season, because whenever I've seen him there, he's always looked quite good.
 
I'd love to see him get some time at 10 for Auckland, because with his attacking ability, he could really create havoc behind what should be a pretty handy pack. Just gotta hope that Nick White isn't in love with Hickey like Feeney was.

taniwharugby

will that just be for the off-week game against a Northland selection this week?

Dice

I'm not quite sure.

taniwharugby

I expect Peter Breen to be directing NOrthland on Friday from 10

African Monkey

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It looks like Will Talataina-Mu is training with the Blues. He's quite a handy player and is probably the form 10 in club rugby this year. He's played mostly in the midfield since he left school, but this year he's played all his rugby at 10. I like that he's solely stationed at 10 this season, because whenever I've seen him there, he's always looked quite good.
 
I'd love to see him get some time at 10 for Auckland, because with his attacking ability, he could really create havoc behind what should be a pretty handy pack. Just gotta hope that Nick White isn't in love with Hickey like Feeney was.
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Yes very unlike Ponsonby to put a youngster at 10 with the grandads they've played there since Gareth Anscombe moved on. They seem to be reaping the benefits for it. Interestingly enough, his father is Nigel Vagana.

Dice

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Yes very unlike Ponsonby to put a youngster at 10 with the grandads they've played there since Gareth Anscombe moved on. They seem to be reaping the benefits for it. Interestingly enough, his father is Nigel Vagana.
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Yeah, them moving him to 10 is one of the reasons they're going so well this year.
 
Nigel Vagana being his dad is a fact a lot of people don't know because of their surnames.
 
I was going to mention they were father and son and then post these two videos where a try they each score looks very similar.
 
Will's try at 2:40

And Nigel's third try here at the :25 second mark.

Dice

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I expect Peter Breen to be directing NOrthland on Friday from 10
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Is the game this week? On the Blues website, it says it's on the 24th.
 
<a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://theblues.co.nz/northland-barbarians-take-blues/'>http://theblues.co.nz/northland-barbarians-take-blues/</a>

taniwharugby

Ha I am a week ahead of myself....

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