NRL 2022
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I've been a diehard Warriors supporter since the beginning but it's hard to think of a worse time for the club than right now.
The owner seems like a real ballbag - why is he even in the pub arguing with the players? Then we hamstring the club's salary cap by releasing our best prop.
We fired Kearney, who was faring okay, given the situation he found himself in and took on a bum of a coach with a 20 something percent win record who, unsurprisingly, turned out to be a bum and ended up with a similar win percentage.
Jazz Tevaga is hearty as hell, and arguably tries the hardest week in, week out. But he's 98kg and is our starting prop. I'm picking there isn't a lighter prop in the comp this year, or in recent years. How are our forwards meant to dominate when they're 15 - 20kg light?
Stacey Jones is a club legend, but that doesn't translate to being a good coach. I'd prefer we cleaned the current regime out and got the Walker brothers in. We need to take a chance, because what we've been doing hasn't worked in the past.
Even more frustrating from an NRL-wide perspective is that contracts don't appear to be worth the paper they're written on. Guys signing with a New Zealand club and then saying that they're not willing to relocate to NZ and being granted immediate releases. Payne Haas being signed on potential by the Broncos for less than he's currently worth and now trying to renegotiate his contract halfway through because he thinks he's being underpaid. The contract/agent system is well and truly broken.
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@aucklandwarlord If this departure happens Stacey will only be caretaker.
Its disappointing the new owner appears to be a drop kick and lets his emotions get in the way of making decisions. I agree 100% In what is an incredibly tough period for the club he has ruined our salary cap and got rid of our best prop in the process.
Who should coach the warriors? that is a tough one. It would have to be someone who would want to take on a massive challenge. Personally I don't think Kearney wasn't doing enough either. The Melbourne approach only works when the players have the work ethic to take on responsibility for themselves and fitness and Bellamy also wields a decent threat. That did not happen under Kearney, he was too nice.
Do they take on a completely new model that doesnt focus on defence aka the Walkers? Well possibly yes, we can't defend now, it would mean we need a functioning attack though, which we also don't have.
I know there are a few coaches out there that could be seen as the next big thing, but do they want to come to NZ? Chances are no. I don't see Ciraldo for example leaving Sydney. I hope they don't go Woolf, Super League coaches always fail. That leaves 2 ex NRL coaches available in Green and Flannagan.
My personal choice won't be popular and forget that he might help them with a special milkshake or two, but for me the best choice if he wants it for me is Flannagan. He is defence focused, openly critical of SJ not running, won't take sh*t from players and he turned the Sharks around into a winning team. He may not even want it though.
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@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
My personal choice won't be popular and forget that he might help them with a special milkshake or two, but for me the best choice if he wants it for me is Flannagan. He is defence focused, openly critical of SJ not running, won't take sh*t from players and he turned the Sharks around into a winning team. He may not even want it though.
i would fucking hate it, but i think you're right. At least he was fired for being a bit of a fluffybunny, and not for just being shithouse. Sticking with Cronulla i thought Morris was doing a good job with them but didn't get the gig.
We will need someone who is hungry as fuck to prove themselves. Ciraldo is not coming because he's already been anointed as the next assistant to get a big gig. He doesn't need to do anything but wait for the right job. So you either need an assistant not on the radar, or a NSW/QCup coach eager to have a go.
What it does appear to need is someone who is a bit of a hard fluffybunny, as the personal standards have appeared shithouse for years. The Warriors boys have always sulked when they get pushed too hard, and then they agitate for someone a bit softer. And so you get a decade outside the finals.
Find someone with a fucking plan, and then step back and let them build it. Because we can't go through all of this again.
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@aucklandwarlord can't agree on Kearney, he was so very ordinary and needed to go, probably a lot earlier.
Jazz gone stitched up being played at prop. You're right he tries really hard, but him being penned in to the 17 every week shows just how limited our roster is.
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It's official, he's gone
Another coach goes: Brown quits Warriors, Kiwis great steps in
Under-fire Warriors coach Nathan Brown has quit with 11 games left in the season.
In light of the precedent set a short while ago when the Warriors had to pay out the remainder of a Matt Lodge's contract then they must insist that Mr. Brown recompense them for the length of period that he was still under contract for but elected to not fulfill. If not then damn well sue him for breach of contract.
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@aucklandwarlord said in NRL 2022:
The owner seems like a real ballbag - why is he even in the pub arguing with the players? Then we hamstring the club's salary cap by releasing our best prop.
I still can't believe Robinson (and George) did this. Robinson is supposedly a successful businessman but why didn't they call Lodge's bluff. He has been vocal in not wanting to move to NZ, so would likely have not taken up his option for 2023. Let's see who really was the alpha male and had the balls.
I am assuming if the player asks for a release the conditions for the salary cap are different.
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@aucklandwarlord said in NRL 2022:
Even more frustrating from an NRL-wide perspective is that contracts don't appear to be worth the paper they're written on. Guys signing with a New Zealand club and then saying that they're not willing to relocate to NZ and being granted immediate releases. Payne Haas being signed on potential by the Broncos for less than he's currently worth and now trying to renegotiate his contract halfway through because he thinks he's being underpaid. The contract/agent system is well and truly broken.
This is a serious problem at the moment. And i think the problem is caused by two things, the (admittedly overdue) focus on male mental health. And Fox League.
Players (agents) can just pull the "mental health" card and bang! the public instantly gets off their back. "oh, i am really battling mentally with moving to NZ". "oh, being away from my family in Sydney/Brisbane/Melbourne is really affecting me mentally". "oh, i have clashes here and it is bad for my mental health". So as an agent you can play it all out through the media, apply pressure to clubs, and almost allow your player to escape any and all criticism.
Then you have Fox League, and their 3 giant fuck heads who they keep front and centre especially on their nightly toilet show. Kent, Hooper, and Rothfield just create content by stirring controversy at every single turn. Their main go to is coaches, but player movement is huge too. One will say something (generally made up) another will say the opposite, And then they will say the NRL360 was completely right no matter what the outcome. They agitate. Then they repeat. And repeat. and repeat. Then the slant changes to "the constant noise around contract is getting to the club" basically pushing the club in to a corner. It works, a lot. I wonder what the game would look like without that sort of noise?
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
@aucklandwarlord can't agree on Kearney, he was so very ordinary and needed to go, probably a lot earlier.
Jazz gone stitched up being played at prop. You're right he tries really hard, but him being penned in to the 17 every week shows just how limited our roster is.
If they were going to fire him, they should have done so in the 2019 season. I felt that even though we were 2 from 6 or something that Kearney was faring okay with what was thrown at him at the time (stuck offshore in a pandemic, players wanting to go home etc). We had a decent 2018 season under him too, but I agree he was probably ordinary in the scheme of NRL coaches, but he was still ultimately better than what he was replaced with in Brown.
How Shaun Johnson remains in the side is beyond me. I genuinely thought he had left the field against Manly because I didn't see him for about twenty minutes. Send that guy back to reserve grade. I'd rather we copped the wooden spoon from here but blooded some new players so we can hit the ground running next season that stick it out with the same players who aren't cutting it.
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@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
Do they take on a completely new model that doesnt focus on defence aka the Walkers? Well possibly yes, we can't defend now, it would mean we need a functioning attack though, which we also don't have.
The Walkers were keen when we inexplicably chose Brown instead. I think the Warriors need to go back to them, cap in hand, realising that they now have zero bargaining chips, and lock them in for a couple of seasons. At worst, they're shit and we suck for the next two seasons, but we've sucked for the last two, and we now have a dented salary cap as well. We'll almost certainly lose Walsh at the end of next season too.
We're worst in the NRL for defence at the moment, so I guess we probably can't go much worse anyway. At least make our attack exciting.
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@aucklandwarlord said in NRL 2022:
The owner seems like a real ballbag - why is he even in the pub arguing with the players? Then we hamstring the club's salary cap by releasing our best prop.
I still can't believe Robinson (and George) did this. Robinson is supposedly a successful businessman but why didn't they call Lodge's bluff. He has been vocal in not wanting to move to NZ, so would likely have not taken up his option for 2023. Let's see who really was the alpha male and had the balls.
I am assuming if the player asks for a release the conditions for the salary cap are different.
Given they had to pay him out his full contract, they should have absolutely called his bluff. Tell him he's moving back to NZ and will be playing for the Mount Albert Lions if his attitude is shit. Either that, or he walks away without a payout and is free to play where he wants.
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If the germs in the NRL media are correct, and the Tigers are about to sack Maguire, that may save Holbrook and O'Brien, as i am not sure either club will really want to compete with 4 others for the right coach.
What an absolute shock that proven failures like Barrett and Brown were the first ones out the door this year.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
If the germs in the NRL media are correct, and the Tigers are about to sack Maguire, that may save Holbrook and O'Brien, as i am not sure either club will really want to compete with 4 others for the right coach.
What an absolute shock that proven failures like Barrett and Brown were the first ones out the door this year.
if those germs are also correct, Ciraldo already said no to NZ and Woolf is next on their shortlist..FFS
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@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
If the germs in the NRL media are correct, and the Tigers are about to sack Maguire, that may save Holbrook and O'Brien, as i am not sure either club will really want to compete with 4 others for the right coach.
What an absolute shock that proven failures like Barrett and Brown were the first ones out the door this year.
if those germs are also correct, Ciraldo already said no to NZ and Woolf is next on their shortlist..FFS
yay, Super League coaches always go so well over here.
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Tigers have officially swung the axe, two in one day
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@bayimports said in NRL 2022:
@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
If the germs in the NRL media are correct, and the Tigers are about to sack Maguire, that may save Holbrook and O'Brien, as i am not sure either club will really want to compete with 4 others for the right coach.
What an absolute shock that proven failures like Barrett and Brown were the first ones out the door this year.
if those germs are also correct, Ciraldo already said no to NZ and Woolf is next on their shortlist..FFS
They need to try something different. Maybe they let Stacey, one of the greatest Warriors ever and a guy who I am sure carries great mana with the boys, run things for a bit. Maybe even get an advisor for him who has a high loigue IQ, and see what he can do. He can't be any worse than Brown, who couldn't even seem to get them to turn up
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The club has been run erratically for sometime. Perhaps we get the coaches we deserve
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so, the Tigers went "hold my beer" and sacked Maguire today as well
Roster-wise that's a more attractive proposition than the Warriors. And their Board is also completely dysfunctional
By fuck i hope we don't hire Maguire.
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@mariner4life said in NRL 2022:
so, the Tigers went "hold my beer" and sacked Maguire today as well
Roster-wise that's a more attractive proposition than the Warriors. And their Board is also completely dysfunctional
By fuck i hope we don't hire Maguire.
At least Mags has a premiership.
Which highlights the real problem (outside of genuinely untalented coaches) and that is roster. No matter how good a coach you are, you cant fix a roster that isn't NRL standard.
And Joey Johns pointed out that with the inability of the Warriors forwards to generate forward momentum, you could take him, Sterlo and Thurston rolled into one player and he'd still look crap.
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Jones appears to have named a team without a whole heap of surprises. Wasn't expecting a reinvention of the wheel, but I was at least expecting Shaun Johnson to be playing club footy somewhere in South Auckland this weekend. He's been woeful and isn't deserving of his starting spot.
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@aucklandwarlord interestingly Volkman (young kid we stole from the Roosters) is in the reserves. Wont know until closer to game time, but until his name gets rubbed out, it could be a late switch... I hope because he has been the biggest flop
Eitherway even if a young kid is blooded, we need to start making some meters through the middle to give them a platform.
At least Curran back, however that wont solve that problem either, just plug up some other holes
