It's Hammerlander time

darreninusa

Hammett was the worse win / loss in Canes history.
Got rid of several of our favorites, and still produced terrible results.
As soon as he is replaced we make the finals.
Failed overseas.
 
How on earth does he get employed again? Why do people defend him?
 
I'm just thrilled that he is nowhere near the Canes.

Brian9848

It's a bit disappointing that Tony Brown will not back himself to be a Head Coach beyond one year. It's not exactly a confident move that he is willing to then become an assistant again, and not just willing but wants to return to be somebody else's assistant after having head coaching responsibility.

taniwharugby

heard him on the radio this morning, not convinced he really wanted to take the reins still, but had his arm twisted to do so.
 
He said he wanted to be the best assistant in the world...I suspect his loyalty to the Highlanders has been a key factor in his decisions, and if not for that loyalty, he may have buggared off after this season.
 
People have often said they thought Hammer would be better suited to an assistants role, he now has that for at least a year.
 
I thought Jon Preston was part of the current coaching set-up down there, is he still to be involved?

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It's a pretty realistic assessment of his position. A poor 3 year stint with a NZ Super franchise will pretty much cap your ceiling at ITM Cup level in this country until the end of time (unless you are good friends with Shag I guess). With a one year stint Brown gets the experience without too much judgement if they have a down year. If they have an up year he is a genius.
 
It's really a win-win for him either way. Keep plugging away and then come back over-prepared like Rennie was, Schmidt (and eventually Cotter) will be and then give the best audition you can.

Chris B.

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1. As soon as he is replaced we make the finals.
 
2. How on earth does he get employed again?
 
3. Why do people defend him?
 
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On (1), you don't think Hammer might just have made a small contribution there? Read that article I posted a week or so back with Conrad's extraordinary comments.
 
On (2), maybe, just maybe, people in the know think he has something to offer.
 
On (3), it's quite a lot of fun trolling embittered Canes fans. :)

Chris B.

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It's a bit disappointing that Tony Brown will not back himself to be a Head Coach beyond one year. It's not exactly a confident move that he is willing to then become an assistant again, and not just willing but wants to return to be somebody else's assistant after having head coaching responsibility.
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It's pretty strange that no-one seems keen to pick up the reins of the defending champions. Maybe the perception is that the only way is down and that's not the sort of stepping stone you need to be All Black coach.
 
I guess - three scenarios.
 
(i) They've got someone like Schmidt lined up to take over, but he's not going to be free in time for the 2017 season.
(ii) They're putting Tony in charge as a figurehead, in order to ease Hammer into the top job - thereby avoiding the PR meltdown of appointing him directly.
(iii) They really can't get anyone and are going to re-cast the net next year.
 
(iii) would be pretty strange - I'd have thought that anyone who applied for the Crusaders job would also put their hat in for the Highlanders. It's not like Super Head Coach jobs come up every day. But maybe they're not the plum jobs that we all imagine.

taniwharugby

Dunedin is pretty cold!

Nepia

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On (1), you don't think Hammer might just have made a small contribution there? Read that article I posted a week or so back with Conrad's extraordinary comments.
 
On (2), maybe, just maybe, people in the know think he has something to offer.
 
On (3), it's quite a lot of fun trolling embittered Canes fans. :)
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I thought (3) was more to do with the fact that you fluffed him like crazy when he got the job and you can't lose face by backing down now. ;)
 
On (2) of course he's got lots to offer, he's the hand grenade you throw in when you want to rebuild from rubble (even if you don't need to rebuild from rubble) ... unfortunately for the Canes as an organisation they didn't realise the blast would take out a huge chunk of the fanbase as well.
On (2) without tongue in cheek, from all reports he is a good assistant coach, maybe, if his ego can handle that then that's where he needs to focus his career goals.
 
 :gamer:

SouthernMan

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Dunedin is pretty cold!
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 Lies I'm in shorts and jandals today.

Chris B.

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On (2) without tongue in cheek, from all reports he is a good assistant coach, maybe, if his ego can handle that then that's where he needs to focus his career goals.
 
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It's a while since he's been an assistant coach isn't it?
 
He's certainly an "in demand" character! Right now, if my count is correct, he's got four jobs. Head Coach of the Sunwolves. Caretaker Coach of Japan. Assistant Coach of the Mako$. Assistant Coach of the Highlanders.

nostrildamus

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Just. Looks. Wrong.

No Quarter

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On (1), you don't think Hammer might just have made a small contribution there? Read that article I posted a week or so back with Conrad's extraordinary comments.
 
On (2), maybe, just maybe, people in the know think he has something to offer.
 
On (3), it's quite a lot of fun trolling embittered Canes fans. :)
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I read the article. I don't doubt that he has potential as a coach. We all heard how the team were training the house down and that the "culture" was much improved. But if you can't translate that to on field performances for four years then you have to go, especially after kicking most of the fan favourites/established All Blacks from the team. He basically alienated the fans and took us from a team making the finals to a team finishing mid to lower table. It doesn't really matter how much the players love you, that's nowhere near good enough.
 
The problem with Hammett, which has been said many many times, is that he was nowhere near ready to be head coach of a Super team. Experienced coaches know how to create a culture that leads to on-field performances (I.E. where it actually matters). Hammett failed in that regard. Badly.

nostrildamus

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 Lies I'm in shorts and jandals today.
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But you didn't say it wasn't cold. Only that you are a classy dresser.
It is a low of 4 degrees tonight, if you are still in shorts and jandals outside at that time you must have really hairy feet.

taniwharugby

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 Lies I'm in shorts and jandals today.
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I wore jandals and shorts in the snow when I was living in the UK....

SouthernMan

Well today isn't cold, it's a balmy 16 degrees. Absolutely beautiful. Clear blue skies.
 
As for it being four degrees tonight, I'll probably chuck some pants on when I go out for a beer and then I'll end up with my slippers on.
 
But thanks for the compliment on my fashion style.

MN5

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Well today isn't cold, it's a balmy 16 degrees. Absolutely beautiful. Clear blue skies.
 
As for it being four degrees tonight, I'll probably chuck some pants on when I go out for a beer and then I'll end up with my slippers on.
 
But thanks for the compliment on my fashion style. 
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Don't be too hard on yourself. Cantabs dress even worse. Everyone puts on their best Moleskins and Swandris for a night out sinking piss and scoring <strike>chicks</strike> anything with a pulse.....

SammyC

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Don't be too hard on yourself. Cantabs dress even worse. Everyone puts on their best Moleskins and Swandris for a night out sinking piss and scoring <strike>chicks</strike> anything with a pulse.....
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you forgot the shirt with collar turned up :)

Crazy Horse

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Highly recommend this. Quite frankly, every time I have gone out without pants I received weird looks that made me feel a little uncomfortable.

MN5

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you forgot the shirt with collar turned up :)
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True and if the above combo doesn't work to help pull anything there's always the option of going round in packs and assaulting any ethnic minorities that stand in your way.

SammyC

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True and if the above combo doesn't work to help pull anything there's always the option of going round in packs and assaulting any ethnic minorities that stand in your way.
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Unless they are a Fijian winger we've got plenty of room down here for them

The Silver Fern

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