My Latest All Blacks Quiz
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Catogrande" data-cid="585709" data-time="1465405172"><p>
This from Wiki<br><br>
World Rugby was founded as the International Rugby Football Board (IRFB) in 1886 by <a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Rugby_Union">Scotland</a>, <a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welsh_Rugby_Union">Wales</a> and <a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Rugby_Football_Union">Ireland</a>, with <a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_Football_Union">England</a> joining in 1890.<sup><a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rugby#cite_note-FOOTNOTEIRB_Handbook201315-20-7">[7]</a></sup><a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australian_Rugby_Union">Australia</a>, <a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_Rugby_Union">New Zealand</a> and <a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Rugby_Board">South Africa</a> became full members in 1949.<sup><a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rugby#cite_note-FOOTNOTEIRB_Handbook201315-20-7">[7]</a></sup><a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Rugby_Federation">France</a> became a member in 1978 and a further eighty members joined from 1987 to 1999.<sup><a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rugby#cite_note-FOOTNOTEIRB_Handbook201315-20-7">[7]</a></sup> The body was renamed the International Rugby Board (IRB) in 1998, and took up its current name in November 2014.<sup><a class="bbc_url" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Rugby#cite_note-irb-name-wr-8">[8]</a></sup><br><br>
If true the argument that full caps were only awarded against IRB members is a bit of a curate's egg. Aus, NZ and SA would not have been capped internationals v the UK sides until 1949 (makes the stats look a little better I have to say) and our French brothers would nto have counted until 1978.</p></blockquote>
As I said i don't believe wiki. I'm pretty sure SA and Aus were sometime prior to 1900, we were sometime after the turn of the century and France perhaps the 20s.<br><br>
This was from a book I read 30 odd years ago though ... did a bit of a google but can only find the Wiki reference.<br><br>
And that convention was not necessarily observed by all countries. Aus gave caps for all internations long before then. They lost a test to Tonga in the 70s. -
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<p>No. 1987 tour was official tests, capped. It was a surprise at the time that it was. But it was. Then 25 odd years later someone(s) changed their mind.</p>
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<p>Managed to find these videos that seem to suggest it was an All Japan side and in the second one Quinn doesn't mention the upcoming fixture as a test.</p>
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<p>But it's pretty hard not to draw parralells between this and the '85 Argentina tour.</p>
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<p>Also didn't know Hart coached this tour solo.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Don Frye" data-cid="585700" data-time="1465391095"><p>
Got a source?</p></blockquote>
No, just my own memories.<br><br>
But actually I think I'm remembering it wrong,<br><br>
It wasn't caps that were removed a few years ago, so were never official tests, it is no longer an AB tour. <br><br>
Even though they were ABs at the time, tour was even post the fern redesign, it even said ABs on their jerseys.<br><br>
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<p>I was only 8 at the time, but I recall the two main games on the 1987 EOYT explicitly not being counted as tests. I think JK mentioned the disappointing fact they weren't caps in his John Kirwan's Rugby World book.</p>
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<p>As for Paul Simonsson and Robbie McLean, they're All Blacks <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=792'>890</a> and <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=586'>888</a> respectively . . . so unless the NZRU remove them and renumber their All Blacks, I'm pretty sure they still are All Blacks. </p> -
Yeah. Pretty sure it was an All Blacks tour. But not tests. But that's according to MY memory which as can be seen above has reliability issues ...
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="585834" data-time="1465440141"><p>
Yeah. Pretty sure it was an All Blacks tour. But not tests. But that's according to MY memory which as can be seen above has reliability issues ...</p></blockquote>
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Yes. This correct. <br>
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I was only 8 at the time, but I recall the two main games on the 1987 EOYT explicitly not being counted as tests. I think JK mentioned the disappointing fact they weren't caps in his John Kirwan's Rugby World book.<br><br>
As for Paul Simonsson and Robbie McLean, they're All Blacks <a class="bbc_url" href="http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=792">890</a> and <a class="bbc_url" href="http://stats.allblacks.com/asp/Profile.asp?ABID=586">888</a> respectively . . . so unless the NZRU remove them and renumber their All Blacks, I'm pretty sure they still are All Blacks.</p></blockquote>
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Does no one else remember within about the last 5 years NZRU deciding this was no longer an All Black tour?<br><br>
Am I going mad?<br><br>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Immenso Rapido" data-cid="585841" data-time="1465442096">
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<p>Does no one else remember within about the last 5 years NZRU deciding this was no longer an All Black tour?<br><br>
Am I going mad?<br><br>
Don't mind if I am</p>
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<p>You could be right, although it's a hard thing to peddle back on given they were clearly advertised as such and played in AB jerseys. The absence of Lochore would be the only reasonable argument.</p>
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<p>Last five years would have been weird timing to decide that too given they've played two tests in Tokyo - it would seem like a time to play up rather than down play NZ/Japan history. Geoff Miller who runs the annual almanack would probably know best!</p> -
<p>I just looked at the most recent copy of Men In Black I own (published in 2006) and the 2 tests vs Japan are missing. Match 232 is the Bledisloe Cup match after RWC 1987 and match 233 is the 1st test vs Wales in 1988.</p>
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<p>The Rugby Museum website is taking ages to load so perhaps someone should check if these games are classified as tests on there.</p> -
Definitely weren't tests Bovidae.<br><br>
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<p>Updated born in Fiji quiz.</p>
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<p>New quiz.</p>
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<p>Wales rugby centurions.</p>
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Updated born in Fiji quiz.<br><br><a class="bbc_url" href="http://www.jetpunk.com/user-quizzes/83115/new-zealand-rugby-all-blacks-born-in-fiji">http://www.jetpunk.com/user-quizzes/83115/new-zealand-rugby-all-blacks-born-in-fiji</a></p></blockquote>
Got that last one but must spelled it wrong
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="booboo" data-cid="586877" data-time="1465682659"><p>
Got that last one but must spelled it wrong :(</p></blockquote>
Yeah, didn't accept my answer. I think it wasn't accepting surname only for the latest addiction. -
<p>Had better get that fixed up now. All my quizzes accept surname only.</p>
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<p>Got that last one but must spelled it wrong :(</p>
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<p>Haha I completely blanked on the last one because I was trying to get the spelling right for one player from the 60s and one from the 70s, neither of who played a test.</p> -
Got an idea for your NZRQ.<br><br>
All Blacks' who's sons played test rugby for other nations.<br><br>
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<p>Got an idea for your NZRQ.<br><br>
All Blacks' who's sons played test rugby for other nations.<br><br>
Might be hard to gather the stats, but I can think of 5.</p>
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<p>Sigh, such glory days when the Scots fought off all comers to win the last ever five nations.........</p>
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<p>Got an idea for your NZRQ.<br><br>
All Blacks' who's sons played test rugby for other nations.<br><br>
Might be hard to gather the stats, but I can think of 5.</p>
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<p>An interesting one and definitely worth a go.</p>
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<p>A few names spring to mind already but I am sure there will be a lot more. Research needed mind you. </p>
