Black Caps vs Proteas 2022
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@kiwi_expat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
This is the first time since 2012/13 that NZ had not been able to win even one test series in their home season.
I'm not at all confident that we're going to progress any further under Stead, he's too conservative to rock the boat and make any courageous choices, it's been far too much of the same 'old school' approach under him and we're clearly stagnating now and are in need of a different approach.
any chance you've got a 2nd record? this one appears to be broken
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@kiwi_expat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
This is the first time since 2012/13 that NZ had not been able to win even one test series in their home season.
I'm not at all confident that we're going to progress any further under Stead, he's too conservative to rock the boat and make any courageous choices, it's been far too much of the same 'old school' approach under him and we're clearly stagnating now and are in need of a different approach.
I'm not a fan either. But no Kane, no Taylor, no BJW. Eventually this was going to affect us
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@oompb said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mn5 it didn’t work for the Proteas.
I think the main problem was two awful batting performances personally.
4 innings of dross from too many middle and upper batsmen. And no standout big score to spare us the damage
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Stead lost my support for not playing Wags in India last time.. no coming back from that.. lol
To be fair I dont think this summer was solely his fault, retirements and injuries played a big part. The lack of Kane also had an impact on the composure of the team for sure as well. However he should take responsibility for the prep that went into that first test of the summer. None of the players looked like they were ready for that and some senior leaders even behaved like pork chops. So I dont think he gets a free pass either
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Unsure how I feel about this series, and indeed this home test summer, aside from disappointed. We should never have drawan a home series vs the Bangles, and then we had SA right where we wanted them and a first ever series win within our grasp and then coughed it up.
No doubt Kane makes a massive difference. If he plays against SA and bats to his average twice it's a much closer game in the second test. Losing Rosco probably didn't make much of a difference, such was his waning test form. We didn't miss Boult in the first test and such was the trouncing I don't think anyone thought we needed him for the second test but upon reflection that was a golden opportunity missed vs SA and also really hurts our WTC chances. Maybe there was a case to be made for selecting our strongest team.
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The WTC was gone from the moment we lost at home to Bangladesh on the back of a loss to India. I just don't see us running the table in Pakistan and England even at our best with a depleted batting line up.
The batting was the primary issue in both the losses this home summer, there are no easy fixes there as there just isn't the depth.
But there is no escaping that our bowling attack had opportunities overnight in the second innings to run through the lower order and they bricked it both times. That problem seems solvable, but buggered if I know how.
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@shark said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Unsure how I feel about this series, and indeed this home test summer, aside from disappointed. We should never have drawan a home series vs the Bangles, and then we had SA right where we wanted them and a first ever series win within our grasp and then coughed it up.
No doubt Kane makes a massive difference. If he plays against SA and bats to his average twice it's a much closer game in the second test. Losing Rosco probably didn't make much of a difference, such was his waning test form. We didn't miss Boult in the first test and such was the trouncing I don't think anyone thought we needed him for the second test but upon reflection that was a golden opportunity missed vs SA and also really hurts our WTC chances. Maybe there was a case to be made for selecting our strongest team.
Yeah I think we need to realise we ain’t the All Blacks, we can’t rest and rotate at our leisure and expect to do well.
Mind you the All Blacks aren’t the All Blacks anymore either.
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
The WTC was gone from the moment we lost at home to Bangladesh on the back of a loss to India. I just don't see us running the table in Pakistan and England even at our best with a depleted batting line up.
The batting was the primary issue in both the losses this home summer, there are no easy fixes there as there just isn't the depth.
But there is no escaping that our bowling attack had opportunities overnight in the second innings to run through the lower order and they bricked it both times. That problem seems solvable, but buggered if I know how.
In respect to our bowlers dont forget although we pulled off a couple of speckies, we also put down a couple of sitters at crucial times even when our bowlers occassionally did get it right.. doesnt make it any better either
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@kiwi_expat said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
This is the first time since 2012/13 that NZ had not been able to win even one test series in their home season.
I'm not at all confident that we're going to progress any further under Stead, he's too conservative to rock the boat and make any courageous choices, it's been far too much of the same 'old school' approach under him and we're clearly stagnating now and are in need of a different approach.
Drop some of the best players and what are you left with? Depth in New Zealand cricket is puddle deep.
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We still shouldn't have lost the second test so poorly, even without Kane, Rosco, BJ and Boult. We were barely in it. Maybe when in deficit by just 71 we had a show, and then when we had them 5 down in their second dig, but largely we were outclassed which shouldn't happen when we still have Latham, Conway, Nicholls, Southee, Wagner and Jamieson.
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Worth reflecting that for about their final year in the Test side, Taylor and Watling weren't the Taylor and Watling of old with the bat either... so their absence isn't a scoreboard cliff that we've suddenly fallen off in the last few months.
It's hard to believe that the second test was an unchanged side, such was the gulf between the two results.
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@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
The WTC was gone from the moment we lost at home to Bangladesh on the back of a loss to India. I just don't see us running the table in Pakistan and England even at our best with a depleted batting line up.
The batting was the primary issue in both the losses this home summer, there are no easy fixes there as there just isn't the depth.
But there is no escaping that our bowling attack had opportunities overnight in the second innings to run through the lower order and they bricked it both times. That problem seems solvable, but buggered if I know how.
In respect to our bowlers dont forget although we pulled off a couple of speckies, we also put down a couple of sitters at crucial times even when our bowlers occassionally did get it right.. doesnt make it any better either
Wags was unlucky at the Mount with no balls, DRS and catches the rest looked awful until Boult found his groove with the third new ball.
They started Day 3 against the Bangles at 175/2 after 67 overs? How does it get to 361/3 after 140 overs?
All the bowlers fresh, a new ball due in 13 overs, two batsman occupying the crease but struggling to score. Almost the perfect set up.
The Day 4 set up here was a bit different but similarly dissapointing.
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@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@bayimports said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@rotated said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
The WTC was gone from the moment we lost at home to Bangladesh on the back of a loss to India. I just don't see us running the table in Pakistan and England even at our best with a depleted batting line up.
The batting was the primary issue in both the losses this home summer, there are no easy fixes there as there just isn't the depth.
But there is no escaping that our bowling attack had opportunities overnight in the second innings to run through the lower order and they bricked it both times. That problem seems solvable, but buggered if I know how.
In respect to our bowlers dont forget although we pulled off a couple of speckies, we also put down a couple of sitters at crucial times even when our bowlers occassionally did get it right.. doesnt make it any better either
Wags was unlucky at the Mount with no balls, DRS and catches the rest looked awful until Boult found his groove with the third new ball.
They started Day 3 against the Bangles at 175/2 after 67 overs? How does it get to 361/3 after 140 overs?
All the bowlers fresh, a new ball due in 13 overs, two batsman occupying the crease but struggling to score. Almost the perfect set up.
The Day 4 set up here was a bit different but similarly dissapointing.
absolutely, I actually had Wags in mind both test series with my comments, entirely agree with you though our bowlers were in general disappointing given the reputation that proceeded them
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Series drawn 1-1.
Seriously, what is the fucken point, even a one off test has more riding on it ! Would it kill us to have an extra test against both our foes so far this year ?
We should get awarded the series though since we wasted them way more in our victory than they did with their victory.
You can't really play a proper test series unless you play at least 3 tests.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Interesting to see some of the excuses/reasons appearing on social media for the 2-2 summer (mainly Williamson, plus Boult for the SA series).
Yeah that's nonsense... with those two missing we still had the talent there to do the job, no excuse for those couple of shockers.
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@donsteppa said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
Worth reflecting that for about their final year in the Test side, Taylor and Watling weren't the Taylor and Watling of old with the bat either... so their absence isn't a scoreboard cliff that we've suddenly fallen off in the last few months.
It's hard to believe that the second test was an unchanged side, such was the gulf between the two results.
Cricket is such a mental game though, and having those two in the side would have helped the younger players alot
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just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
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@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
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@mn5 said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
@mariner4life said in Black Caps vs Proteas 2022:
just looked at the batting records for teh summer
sick reading
in teh top 7, only Conway could be considered a consistent run scorer. 6 innings, two hundred and a 90 (plus the ever-excellent 30-odd)
Basically everyone else has one good knock and a bunch of shit. like, really bad, single figure, averaging 7 shit.No wonder we have taken 3 absolute batterings this summer.
Those figures take me back…..the fern would have been great fun in the mid 90s when Dipak Patel batted in the top order and Willie Watson and Richard De Groen spearheaded the pace “attack”.
Don't forget the glory days of Murphy Sua!!!
