Cricket - best ever, trivia etc
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@rotated said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
Picking based on the eye test only with the exception of Turner whose record is too good to ignore (obviously the game changed).
McCullum/Turner
Ryder
Williamson
Crowe
Taylor
Turner/McCullum
Cairns
Hadlee
Vettori
Boult
BondGuys like Astle, Flem, Harry, Guppy, Oram etc to me you always felt were slightly outmatched against their top contemporaries.
Styris and Southee fighting to carry the drinks.
I can’t have Astle and Guppy cast aside like that. They’re both exceptional at this form of the game. Ryder certainly deserves a mention though but only played 48 games ( I thought it woulda been heaps more )
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No Aussies? Not even Cummins? Or World No.1 Loosebuschange
Kane and Kylo for the good guys though
The Spin | The men’s Test cricket team of the year: from Williamson to Sharma
Our special team of selectors make their pick for the best international Test team of the past 12 months … with one caveat
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@booboo I guess the fine print says the team was picked before Boxing Day when the Aussies had played only 4 test all year.
Cummins and Hazelwood both make the World XI for me - but, probably not Marnus.
Just about every time I've watched him, he's been gifted multiple lives. Four in his latest hundred and a quick review of the one he made in Brisbane vs India suggests he was dropped twice.
Steve Smith probably makes it - certainly ahead of Marnus in my book. And Wee Davy is a chance - especially if the games are played in Oz.
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@chris-b said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
Cummins and Hazelwood both make the World XI for me - but, probably not Marnus.
Just about every time I've watched him, he's been gifted multiple lives. Four in his latest hundred and a quick review of the one he made in Brisbane vs India suggests he was dropped twice.
Averaged 32 for Glamorgan this year. Hamish Rutherford averaged close to 40 as his replacement. I'll pass.
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@barbarian said in Aussie Cricket:
So CA offer Langer a six month contract extension, and Langer tells them to shove it and walks. The latest chapter in a sorry saga.
Which results in wailing and gnashing of teeth from ex-players, who think Langer has been fed to the wolves by a cabal of greedy selfish players and media.
Impartial, considered commentators like (cough) Matt Hayden have weighed in... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-02-05/cricket-australia-matthew-hayden-defends-justin-langer/100807674
It's a mess and CA have to own that. But the entitlement and hypocrisy shown by the ex-players is just breathtaking here. Langer was clearly a volatile bloke and the players didn't like him. In cricket that's more than enough cause to show you the door.
Defending the other half of the best opening partnership the modern game has seen. Massive surprise there.
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@mn5 said in Aussie Cricket:
the best opening partnership the modern game has seen
Greenidge and Haynes might disagree
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@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket:
@mn5 said in Aussie Cricket:
the best opening partnership the modern game has seen
Greenidge and Haynes might disagree
not sure 78-83 is 'modern' but they are pretty well accepted as No 1.
Langer/Hayden is right up there, particularly in the modern game though.
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@nzzp said in Aussie Cricket:
not sure 78-83 is 'modern' but they are pretty well accepted as No 1.
Saw them both bat together in 87
(https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-new-zealand-1986-87-61928/new-zealand-vs-west-indies-2nd-test-63458/full-scorecard)Wisden tells me:
Greenidge retired in 1991, Haynes carried on until 1994 in international cricket, finally packing up in 1997
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@donsteppa said in Aussie Cricket:
@nzzp said in Aussie Cricket:
not sure 78-83 is 'modern' but they are pretty well accepted as No 1.
Saw them both bat together in 87
(https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-new-zealand-1986-87-61928/new-zealand-vs-west-indies-2nd-test-63458/full-scorecard)Wisden tells me:
Greenidge retired in 1991, Haynes carried on until 1994 in international cricket, finally packing up in 1997
hah! I withdraw and apologise. I googled them, and it seemed to be a short partnership - clearly I missed a decade.
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@nzzp said in Aussie Cricket:
@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket:
@mn5 said in Aussie Cricket:
the best opening partnership the modern game has seen
Greenidge and Haynes might disagree
not sure 78-83 is 'modern' but they are pretty well accepted as No 1.
Langer/Hayden is right up there, particularly in the modern game though.
Over 30 years retired doesn’t make someone particularly “modern”
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@mn5 said in Aussie Cricket:
@nzzp said in Aussie Cricket:
@dogmeat said in Aussie Cricket:
@mn5 said in Aussie Cricket:
the best opening partnership the modern game has seen
Greenidge and Haynes might disagree
not sure 78-83 is 'modern' but they are pretty well accepted as No 1.
Langer/Hayden is right up there, particularly in the modern game though.
Over 30 years retired doesn’t make someone particularly “modern”
Most current cricketers might reckon you're old thinking of Hayden (retired 13 years ago) and Langer (15 years ago) as modern too
Idle stats time; Langer and Haynes did overlap slightly. https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-australia-1992-93-61905/australia-vs-west-indies-4th-test-63593/full-scorecard
I'm sure I remember Hayden from Hadlee's testimonial ODI series in 1990, but it doesn't look like he hit higher honours until a couple of years after that, so I can't see that his international career overlapped with Greenidge.
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@nzzp said in Aussie Cricket:
@donsteppa said in Aussie Cricket:
@nzzp said in Aussie Cricket:
not sure 78-83 is 'modern' but they are pretty well accepted as No 1.
Saw them both bat together in 87
(https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-new-zealand-1986-87-61928/new-zealand-vs-west-indies-2nd-test-63458/full-scorecard)Wisden tells me:
Greenidge retired in 1991, Haynes carried on until 1994 in international cricket, finally packing up in 1997
hah! I withdraw and apologise. I googled them, and it seemed to be a short partnership - clearly I missed a decade.
take that apology back find some other anecdotal evidence..this is the fern after all
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@bayimports said in Aussie Cricket:
@nzzp said in Aussie Cricket:
@donsteppa said in Aussie Cricket:
@nzzp said in Aussie Cricket:
not sure 78-83 is 'modern' but they are pretty well accepted as No 1.
Saw them both bat together in 87
(https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-new-zealand-1986-87-61928/new-zealand-vs-west-indies-2nd-test-63458/full-scorecard)Wisden tells me:
Greenidge retired in 1991, Haynes carried on until 1994 in international cricket, finally packing up in 1997
hah! I withdraw and apologise. I googled them, and it seemed to be a short partnership - clearly I missed a decade.
take that apology back find some other anecdotal evidence..this is the fern after all
ASTLE AND SPEARMAN WERE UNDERRATED OPENERS
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@nzzp said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
@bayimports said in Aussie Cricket:
@nzzp said in Aussie Cricket:
@donsteppa said in Aussie Cricket:
@nzzp said in Aussie Cricket:
not sure 78-83 is 'modern' but they are pretty well accepted as No 1.
Saw them both bat together in 87
(https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/west-indies-tour-of-new-zealand-1986-87-61928/new-zealand-vs-west-indies-2nd-test-63458/full-scorecard)Wisden tells me:
Greenidge retired in 1991, Haynes carried on until 1994 in international cricket, finally packing up in 1997
hah! I withdraw and apologise. I googled them, and it seemed to be a short partnership - clearly I missed a decade.
take that apology back find some other anecdotal evidence..this is the fern after all
ASTLE AND SPEARMAN WERE UNDERRATED OPENERS
ha ha, that made me laugh
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@mn5 You're lucky I didn't nominate Simpson and Lawry then who averaged over 60 as a partnership back in the olden days.
Given cricket has a history of hundreds of years and an international history of nearly 150 I don't think 30-40 years is ancient history.
Personally I think the post Packer years to today are broadly similar in playing style. Limited overs was entrenched. TV coverage was important, bigger bats wee becoming the thing. High backlift etc.
I guess T20 has changed the game but Hayden only played 9 T20I and Langer none so I would say that they pretty much played in the same era as the two Barbadians - even if it wasn't the modern era.
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@dogmeat said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
@mn5 You're lucky I didn't nominate Simpson and Lawry then who averaged over 60 as a partnership back in the olden days.
Given cricket has a history of hundreds of years and an international history of nearly 150 I don't think 30-40 years is ancient history.
Personally I think the post Packer years to today are broadly similar in playing style. Limited overs was entrenched. TV coverage was important, bigger bats wee becoming the thing. High backlift etc.
I guess T20 has changed the game but Hayden only played 9 T20I and Langer none so I would say that they pretty much played in the same era as the two Barbadians - even if it wasn't the modern era.
Yeah Hayden and Langer still seem reasonably recent to me…..I’ll call them “modern”, maybe only just cos otherwise I’d be backing down and I’d hate to look weak on the fern.
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Personally I'd say the best ever test opening partnership was Hobbs and Sutcliffe, but agree that Greenidge and Haynes will always at least be on the short list in the ODI era (as will Hayden and Langer).
Drawing a line somewhere in the 90s makes some sense as ODIs switched quite dramatically somewhere after the WC 92 when NZ and Greatbatch really turned the ODI opening concept on its head, and by the WC 96, that was standard.
That had some impact on scoring rates in tests especially, as 2-3 RPO was replaced by 3-4 RPO, and the widespread adoption of helmets in the 70s-80s also had quite an impact.
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@godder said in Cricket - best ever, trivia etc:
Personally I'd say the best ever test opening partnership was Hobbs and Sutcliffe, but agree that Greenidge and Haynes will always at least be on the short list in the ODI era (as will Hayden and Langer).
Drawing a line somewhere in the 90s makes some sense as ODIs switched quite dramatically somewhere after the WC 92 when NZ and Greatbatch really turned the ODI opening concept on its head, and by the WC 96, that was standard.
That had some impact on scoring rates in tests especially, as 2-3 RPO was replaced by 3-4 RPO, and the widespread adoption of helmets in the 70s-80s also had quite an impact.
Agreed. Amazing stats and such an old fashioned dashing looking pair.
Tubby and Slats were decent, so were Sehwag and Gambhir….did Boycott and Gooch play much together ?
Two genuinely class players opening at the same time is actually pretty rare hence I’ll always rate Hayden and Langer damn near the top.
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