Blues 2022
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@nzzp said in Blues 2022:
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:
@nzzp Nonu developed a good kicking game.
... and passing game, and stepping game, and tackling game. Turned into a complete player.
I guess I was just thinking I don't see many 12s used as frequent kickers - would be nice if that happened; dual playmakers, and possibly even some territory
I think these days with how everyone moves in and out often the 2nd kicker (dual playmaker ) plays at 15 since we drifted off the 2nd five and moved to inside centre role. Plummer plays the old 2nd 5 role for Blues quite a bit
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@dan54 said in Blues 2022:
@nzzp said in Blues 2022:
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:
@nzzp Nonu developed a good kicking game.
... and passing game, and stepping game, and tackling game. Turned into a complete player.
I guess I was just thinking I don't see many 12s used as frequent kickers - would be nice if that happened; dual playmakers, and possibly even some territory
I think these days with how everyone moves in and out often the 2nd kicker (dual playmaker ) plays at 15 since we drifted off the 2nd five and moved to inside centre role. Plummer plays the old 2nd 5 role for Blues quite a bit
Thinking back, one of the hallmarks of the NPC winning Auckland 2018 side was their kicking from all over the backline. It just makes sense - you can catch out positional issues from the opposition (and actually create some!)
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@nzzp said in Blues 2022:
Thinking back, one of the hallmarks of the NPC winning Auckland 2018 side was their kicking from all over the backline. It just makes sense - you can catch out positional issues from the opposition (and actually create some!)
Also, the Blues turned the corner last year when their kicking game improved. Sullivan & Christie became regulars and supported Black. MacDonald said the game plan in the final was largely built around Christies kicking
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@taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:
I think RTS looks to be a hugely talented player, with smarts, I think (and hope obviously) his transition is going to be much smoother than most expect, such a rare talent, I think he will surprise a fair few, particularly on attack
I think he might get shown up on d a few times, but expect he will learn quickly there too.
@nzzp Nonu developed a good kicking game.
Going by that article posted about Clarke and RTS training together there was mention on working his passing game.
Passing in play is different between the codes and used more often in Union. -
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@nepia said in Blues 2022:
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2022:
Isn't there a conflict of interest with Tana's nephews?
Nah, one's always injured and the other one can't get selected by his Super coach.
Peter should just pretend he is Thomas then ask to try out 13..
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@nzzp said in Blues 2022:
@steven-harris would be awesome if he kicked from 12 as well. Been a long time since we had a kicking 12 that wasn't a converted 10.
SBW did a few from memory, struggling to think if others do it much
As long as he doesn't chip kick like old blues thunder legs...
He's going to be a different 12 to SBW anyway, who in my opinion came back to rugby a little late and a little injured and not as a conventional 12 but had some interesting skills. -
@crucial said in Blues 2022:
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:
I think RTS looks to be a hugely talented player, with smarts, I think (and hope obviously) his transition is going to be much smoother than most expect, such a rare talent, I think he will surprise a fair few, particularly on attack
I think he might get shown up on d a few times, but expect he will learn quickly there too.
@nzzp Nonu developed a good kicking game.
Going by that article posted about Clarke and RTS training together there was mention on working his passing game.
Passing in play is different between the codes and used more often in Union.Yep I have seen to many league player that don't pass left to right very well under pressure. I think in league there tends to be more spce to set yourself?
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@nostrildamus said in Blues 2022:
@nzzp said in Blues 2022:
@steven-harris would be awesome if he kicked from 12 as well. Been a long time since we had a kicking 12 that wasn't a converted 10.
SBW did a few from memory, struggling to think if others do it much
As long as he doesn't chip kick like old blues thunder legs...
He's going to be a different 12 to SBW anyway, who in my opinion came back to rugby a little late and a little injured and not as a conventional 12 but had some interesting skills.SBW came to rugby when he was 23 or 24, so not sure the age point is. Everyone seems to gloss over 2 seasons of Union in France SBW had before he returned to NZ. Toulon had the joys of most of his early errors
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@machpants said in Blues 2022:
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2022:
@nzzp said in Blues 2022:
@steven-harris would be awesome if he kicked from 12 as well. Been a long time since we had a kicking 12 that wasn't a converted 10.
SBW did a few from memory, struggling to think if others do it much
As long as he doesn't chip kick like old blues thunder legs...
He's going to be a different 12 to SBW anyway, who in my opinion came back to rugby a little late and a little injured and not as a conventional 12 but had some interesting skills.SBW came to rugby when he was 23 or 24, so not sure the age point is. Everyone seems to gloss over 2 seasons of Union in France SBW had before he returned to NZ. Toulon had the joys of most of his early errors
I'm not sure but wasn't he a forward for some of that time (I think, a 6?) And didn't he pick up some major injuries in league before the age of 23 or 24?
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@dan54 said in Blues 2022:
@crucial said in Blues 2022:
@taniwharugby said in Blues 2022:
I think RTS looks to be a hugely talented player, with smarts, I think (and hope obviously) his transition is going to be much smoother than most expect, such a rare talent, I think he will surprise a fair few, particularly on attack
I think he might get shown up on d a few times, but expect he will learn quickly there too.
@nzzp Nonu developed a good kicking game.
Going by that article posted about Clarke and RTS training together there was mention on working his passing game.
Passing in play is different between the codes and used more often in Union.Yep I have seen to many league player that don't pass left to right very well under pressure. I think in league there tends to be more spce to set yourself?
I don’t watch league but I imagine that generally speaking there is less passing (apart from the initial tackle clearance). Also less passing across the face and long passes
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@nostrildamus said in Blues 2022:
@machpants said in Blues 2022:
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2022:
@nzzp said in Blues 2022:
@steven-harris would be awesome if he kicked from 12 as well. Been a long time since we had a kicking 12 that wasn't a converted 10.
SBW did a few from memory, struggling to think if others do it much
As long as he doesn't chip kick like old blues thunder legs...
He's going to be a different 12 to SBW anyway, who in my opinion came back to rugby a little late and a little injured and not as a conventional 12 but had some interesting skills.SBW came to rugby when he was 23 or 24, so not sure the age point is. Everyone seems to gloss over 2 seasons of Union in France SBW had before he returned to NZ. Toulon had the joys of most of his early errors
I'm not sure but wasn't he a forward for some of that time (I think, a 6?) And didn't he pick up some major injuries in league before the age of 23 or 24?
That's my memory too. 6 for a bit in France. And yeah, SBW was already struggling with a dicky knee before coming to Rugby. Don't think either code got to see the best of him. Broken too early in his career and code hopped too much I reckon.
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@nzzp said in Blues 2022:
@mn5 said in Blues 2022:
Why do some of them have sports bras on ?
Presume you're trolling, but I thought they were GPS units that also track heart rates
Yep.
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Picking a starting Blues team for round one of Super Rugby Pacific
With just over a fortnight until Super Rugby Pacific kicks-off, here's a possible Blues side that could open the new campaign.
First up is the Blues, who, under the current schedule, will open their campaign against new cross-town rivals Moana Pasifika at Mt Smart Stadium on February 18.
- Alex Hodgman
Alex Hodgman will be undoubtedly eager to resurrect his test career after missing international selection last year. Picked in Ian Foster’s maiden All Blacks squad on the back of his high work rate, reflected by his status as the only front rower to register in the top 10 for most tackles in Super Rugby Aotearoa 2020, Hodgman faded badly in 2021. His most notable moment of last year’s campaign was a red card against the Highlanders, which was followed by an NPC season where he played only two games before Auckland was forced to withdraw from the competition. That lack of game time has left Hodgman, and others in the Blues squad, desperate for game time, which should come in round one following a prolonged off-season conditioning programme, as well as Karl Tu’inukuafe’s extended All Blacks leave.
- Kurt Eklund
Having assumed the role of first-choice Blues hooker since the retirement of ex-captain James Parsons, Kurt Eklund looks primed to resume his place in the No 2 jersey. Selected in two Maori All Blacks squads since his breakout Super Rugby season in 2020, Eklund was also picked in the North Island squad for that year’s North vs South clash. That should give an indication to how highly-rated he is by the national selectors, although Eklund will need to maintain a high standard of performance throughout the year now that he has Ricky Riccitelli and Soane Vikena nipping at his heels.
- Ofa Tuungafasi
Plagued by injury throughout much of last year, Ofa Tuungafasi struggled to rekindle the form that made him New Zealand’s premier prop during Super Rugby Aotearoa 2020. Aside from the red card he picked up against the Wallabies during the fourth Bledisloe Cup test, Tuungafasi was the best prop in the country that year. He provided the Blues and All Blacks with immense power and physicality at the set piece and in general play, but only featured in five tests off the bench after missing last year’s Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man final as a knee injury took its toll. Now back in action at Blues HQ ahead of the new campaign, Tuungafasi’s quest to make up for lost time may place him as the frontrunner to start ahead of All Blacks teammate Nepo Laulala, who took on a large workload last year.
- Luke Romano
As one of the longest-serving Crusaders players in recent times, former All Blacks lock Luke Romano has done the unthinkable by moving to Auckland and signing with his former’s side’s arch-rivals for the season ahead. It’s an astute pick-up by the Blues, who have gained a World Cup-winning lock in the absence of last year’s captain Patrick Tuipulotu, who is in Japan on a season-long sabbatical. Deemed surplus to requirements by the Crusaders, Romano’s output at provincial level illustrates that he still has the ticker required to succeed in Super Rugby, something he has plenty of experience in with five titles to his name. His hefty physical stature of 1.99m and 120kg will also provide the tight five with plenty of bulk, making him a strong contender for a starting role.
- Tom Robinson
Although he has primarily been a blindside flanker throughout his professional career, it might be in the second row where Tom Robinson will need to accustom himself to this year. A talismanic presence for the Blues since his debut three years ago, Robinson is among a star-studded loose forward cohort that features three All Blacks and highly-touted youngster Anton Segner. As such, it could be at lock where Robinson’s best chances of selection lie. Perhaps he could alternate the No 6 jersey with Akira Ioane, as he did last year, but his status as a fringe All Blacks prospect should demand regular starting honours. Already familiar with lock, having played there for the Blues and Northland, Robinson – who stands at 1.98m – is the fourth-tallest player at the franchise. That bodes well for his selection chances in the second row, where he could thrive if given the chance.
- Akira Ioane
Unlike Tu’inukuafe and Laulala, both of whom missed selection in this side on the basis of their extended All Blacks breaks and test rugby workloads last year, Akira Ioane remains the favourite to start at No 6 against Moana Pasifika. That’s because Blues boss Leon MacDonald can afford to rest Tu’inukuafe and Laulala because his back-up options are two other All Blacks, Hodgman and Tuungafasi, both of whom are in need of game time. As already mentioned, such depth is also evident in the franchise’s loose forward stocks, but Ioane’s main competitor for the blindside flanker role is Robinson. If the latter is instead picked to fill in at lock, Ioane will have a clean run to start in what should be a full-strength Blues outfit, provided he doesn’t encounter any fitness, injury or fatigue issues that would otherwise prevent him from taking to the field.
- Dalton Papalii
Among the standouts of 2021, Dalton Papalii will be a vital member of the Blues as they push for back-to-back titles for the first time since 1997. Now a serious challenger to both Ardie Savea and Sam Cane as an international starter at openside flanker, Papalii is the first-choice option in the No 7 jersey for the Blues. However, the addition of Segner to the franchise’s roster means Papalii has a genuine contender to deal with for starting honours, which MacDonald hopes will bring the best out of both players when they are given game time.
- Hoskins Sotutu
While he has been afforded extended pre-season leave like the rest of his All Blacks teammates, Hoskins Sotutu is the only Blues international available for pre-season action when his side face the Chiefs in Te Puke next weekend. That’s a reflection of the minimal game time he received while on tour with the All Blacks last year, meaning he – like Hodgman and Tuungafasi – will be free and hungry for selection from the outset this season.
- Finlay Christie
Another All Black who only managed fleeting appearances in international rugby last year, Finlay Christie will be chomping at the bit to build on last year’s campaign after he became a test-capped player for the first time. An energetic halfback whose strengths are his running game and work rate, Christie played in only five tests all year, which presents few hurdles for him to overcome in terms of rest and recovery leading into round one.
- Harry Plummer
In an ideal world for the Blues, it would be Beauden Barrett lining up at first-five for his first match for the franchise since 2020. However, while that still might happen, it remains unclear just how ready he is to return to action after his campaign last year ended with a concussion against Ireland in Dublin. If Barrett hasn’t recovered fully in time for the Moana Pasifika clash, it might as well come down to a toss of the coin between Harry Plummer and Stephen Perofeta as to who will start in the two-time World Rugby Player of the Year’s absence. In Plummer, the Blues have a pivot who appeared to come of age when he landed the crucial kicks at goal to secure the franchise with its first piece of silverware in 18 years during last year’s Trans- Ta$man final. He was also starved of game time by Auckland’s withdrawal from the NPC and will be incredibly eager to play for the first time since August. Perofeta, on the other hand, proved his quality as playmaker when he earned nomination for the Duane Monkley Medal after starring in Taranaki’s run to the NPC Championship. It would be hard for MacDonald to go wrong with either selection, and the pre-season matches will likely be used to separate the pair, but, for the time being, Plummer gets the nod.
- Caleb Clarke
Speaking of players who haven’t played in some time, few people have been out of action for as long as Caleb Clarke. Opting out of Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man to chase a place at the Olympics, Clarke was confined to a hotel room as a travelling reserve as the All Blacks Sevens went on to claim silver in Tokyo last July. Then, upon his arrival back in New Zealand, Clarke didn’t get the chance to play at all in the NPC because of Auckland’s withdrawal, leaving his hopes of an All Blacks recall following debut test campaign the year beforehand in tatters. It’s no surprise, then, that the five-test wing has reported for pre-season training in top shape and sounds as keen as possible to rip into the season ahead, a prospect that seems more than likely against Moana Pasifika.
- Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
Part of why Clarke is in such good condition is because of the off-season training he endured with Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, the most-talked about player heading into Super Rugby Pacific. The former Warriors captain is set to embark on his maiden campaign as a rugby union player since switching from rugby league last year after missing out on NPC action because of Auckland’s Covid-enforced withdrawal. As one of the NRL’s biggest names, all eyes will be fixated on Tuivasa-Sheck, who has done plenty to impress MacDonald with his pre-season efforts at second-five, the position that he will begin his union career in.
- Rieko Ioane
Like a few others named in this team, Rieko Ioane undertook an arduous test campaign in 2021, featuring in all but two matches for the All Blacks. It would be understandable, then, if MacDonald excluded him from the season-opener against Moana Pasifika, but there is no indication that Ioane is eager for extra time off. In fact, images from Blues HQ have circulated in recent weeks of Ioane partnering with Tuivasa-Sheck in an all-star midfield combination. That in itself is a tantalising enough thought to thrust Ioane into the thick of the action from the get-go, let alone the qualities that he himself can offer the side as an individual.
- AJ Lam
Outside of the headline names mentioned above, the Blues are blessed with an array of talent throughout their backline that is sure to make MacDonald’s task of selection difficult over the months to come. There are numerous contenders who all offer various attributes and have the kind of talent that make them worthy starters, effectively turning the job of picking a right wing into a lottery. However, on the basis of MacDonald’s comments a fortnight ago where he singled this player out as someone who has put his hand up for starting honours, AJ Lam takes the cake ahead of various other candidates like Mark Telea and Bryce Heem. The younger brother of ex-Hurricanes flyer Ben, AJ is equipped with the size and speed that made his older sibling such a success in the capital. After having caught glimpses of him in action in Super Rugby and the NPC, there are plenty of reasons to believe that Lam can follow in his brother’s footsteps with the Blues.
- Zarn Sullivan
At the age of just 20-years-old, Zarn Sullivan emerged as one of the brightest prospects in New Zealand when he starred for the Blues en route to their Super Rugby Trans- Ta$man title success last year. A strongly-built fullback, Sullivan’s kicking game both out of hand and off the tee proved to be a revelation for the Blues as he started in the side’s final seven matches of the year after having missed almost the entirety of Super Rugby Aotearoa. MacDonald’s reliance on Sullivan, who is now 21, is indicative of the faith he has of the youngster in the fullback jersey. Another to have missed out on last year’s NPC with Auckland, Sullivan will be ready to take his game to the next level come kick-off of the new season.
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@themojoman I'd be surprised if Reiko Ioane plays in RD 1 given his heavy workload. Also not sold on Robinson at lock yet, anyone know if he's been training there? I wouldn't surprised to see Robinson start at 6 and bring Akira off the bench. Darry to partner Romano partnering at lock if this is the case.
Biggest questions I have are Lam at 14 and Plumber at 10 probably largely dictated by form.
