Super Rugby 2022
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@arhs said in Super Rugby 2022:
@kiwimurph Super! Gets a deserved chance at last.
Cridge just has to hope it turns out better than Caird and Whetton's experience was.
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
@gt12 How is winning 5/5 of their Super Rugby trans- Ta$man matches (229 points scored across the five) much of a failure?
While his Crusaders had multiple key players unavailable during Super Rugby trans- Ta$man, they didn't drop a game (despite fielding 2nd & 3rd choice guys due to lots of injuries), put 33 on Brumbies, 63 points on the Reds, 54 on the Tahs, 52 on Rebels.
And just thought a certain few posters around here ought to be made aware this... at the very beginning of his coaching career, Razor inherited a Sumner outfit that was rock bottom of the Chch 2nd Division. Within one year he had transformed them from cellar-dwellers to Division champs. And the following seasons he managed to coach them all the way to the top of Division 1.
He's always taken underperforming teams & exceeded expectations, Sumner was the weakest club in Christchurch by a significant margin, when he inherited them.
He inherited a dead last Sumner side, he took a previously 7th placed Crusaders outfit (2015, 2016) that hadn't won anything in 9 years to 5/5, and a NZ-U20 side that hadn't won the World Championship in 5 years, to the 2015 title, in just his first attempt.
What further does he need to accomplish, does he need to levitate?
Crusaders under Todd Blackadder - 4th, 5th, 2nd, 5th, 5th, 2nd, 7th, 7th.
Crusaders under Scott Robertson - (2017/2018/2019/2020/2021) 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st, 1st.
I'd argue that his successes in 2020 & 2021 mattered slightly more because I think on paper the Blues were a slightly more talented team, man for man.
The fact that he's remained so dominant without a sophomore slump indicates that he's constantly evolving and innovating.
There also seems to be a misconception on here that Robertson would simply be a Robbie Deans 2.0, when in reality they are very different coaches.
Deans was never Razor's level. Razor has produced far more consistent results overall when look across his campaigns.
Razor has superior man-management, tactical skills & player coach relationships, his game-planning is razor sharp.
In contrast, Robbie has a long history of inconsistent results, poor selections & widely documented fallouts with his players..
Selecting Blair & Ralph, after dropping Cullen, playing McDonald at 13, etc.. Deans had a infamous history of completely bizarre selections.
Deans was an overrated coach who won 1 NPC title from 4 seasons with Canterbury, Razor won 3/4 titles with Canterbury, so far 5/5 with Crusaders despite the absence of multiple greats - of which Deans had an abundance of.
His win-record, overall consistently, selections, man management & tactical ability far exceeds Robbie's.
Razor's more consistent 89% success with Crusaders vs Dean's 74% (with McCaw, Carter et.al).
His record with the Crusaders is 71-4-9, which is crazy.
Todd Blackadder at 74-2-40, and Deans at 88-1-30.
Dean's 5 titles across 8 seasons vs Razor's 5 titles in 5 seasons without the extensive list of Deans/Blackadder's all time goats like Carter, McCaw, etc.. Robertson has taken on rebuilding jobs at every level, from Sumner, Canterbury & U20's, while Deans managed 1 provincial title in 4 seasons with Canterbury, Razor managed 3 in 4 seasons with mostly a very young group of players as well.
Todd Blackadder coached the Crusaders for eight long years. Zero titles. He had some of the greatest players that have ever graced a rugby field on his roster (hello DC, Richie et al - waves). Zero titles. 63% win record.
The first year Razor coached the Crusaders (after the retirement of the aforesaid GOAT's) the Crusaders win super rugby, he's contributed a staggering 89% win record throughout his 5 years at the helm.
He even coached the Crusaders to a title victory, with the final played in South Africa. The first coach in Super Rugby to manage this feat - not to mention, the first team away on the highveld as well.
And every following season since Crusaders have won the overall title, dominating SA teams in the process. Even a pandemic hasn't put paid to the winning, in SRA, a tougher more intense competition than the previous.
Notwithstanding all that winning, the old boys club still saw fit to appoint and then re-appoint Foster in 2021, before they had even faced a top 5 side in the rankings...
have you got a relation called dave? lives in the USA
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@bovidae Cam Jowitt was another that disappeared into the Waratah vortex...then Pat O'Connor (although he did get selected for the Wallabies I think, but didnt play) both locks came through Northland...
that should tell those aspiring to be Waratahs, dont use Northland as your stepping stone!
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2022:
@nostrildamus said in Super Rugby 2022:
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@kiwi_expat said in Super Rugby 2022:
@gt12 could've swore they had more players rested for that match, but my point still remains as there're many instances where Crusaders achieved similar results under Razor with significantly weakened match-day squads.
If a coach has effective structures in place wider squad members can be rotated into the starting line-up and slot into those systems fairly seamlessly (and how they are specifically utilized in context to a gameplan that maximizes the characteristics of the players at your disposal) therefore you shouldn't notice a significant drop in the team's performance. A pretty distinguishing feature of well coached sides. Eddie, Razor, Schmidt, Brown's sides come to mind. Foster does not come to mind, his Chiefs/All Blacks sides have been headless, disjointed & uncoordinated rabble, clearly less than the sum of their parts, with players hesitant & unsure of their roles...
At what stage are posters on here going to stop pinning the blame at various players, instead of acknowledging the main issue, Foster's inability to make the best use of the cattle at his disposal? Plenty of other coaches have succeeded when dealt much rougher hands. Foster isn't a proven maximizer of talent - he's a minimizer.
There is little evidence to support this statement.
In Transtasman 2021 it was the close win against the Force, when he rested both Mo'unga and Whitelock that the Saders lost their chance to win the competition.
In Super rugby Aotearoa, their close loss to the Chiefs came when he rested both Taylor and Whitelock.
In every other big win (and a few losses) over the last two seasons, one thing stands out: An over reliance on a spine of Taylor, Whitelock, Mo'unga (with a range of others such as Barrett, Havili etc). The only evidence to support your statement from the last two years would be the early wins over the Tahs, Blues, and Landers when Whitelock was out. However, even then he played Moody, Taylor, Mo'unga, Goodhue, and Havili, plus others.
He has the best squad and has had the best squad for years, and he still relies on a few main players to get them through, who then perform poorly for the ABs because they are fucked by that time.
I'm confused, were they exhausted this year through overplaying or not match-hardened because of the COVID affected season?
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You're confused.
Perhaps. Then again I didn't think this season should have tired them out. They had plenty of time to recover prior to and in the international season.
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@nta said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris interesting move. I understand from taking a headline that Roberts had an Aussie partner?
Sydney winters beat Welsh summers I guess 😉
Shame about Walton. Had a couple of injuries that last few seasons but is a good player.
Yep Aussie girlfriend apparantly.
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BTW with NZ being an evidence free zone lately, what are the odds SR is going to go ahead given not even the 7s teams could participate in the circuit?
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:
BTW with NZ being an evidence free zone lately, what are the odds SR is going to go ahead given not even the 7s teams could participate in the circuit?
Looks like a mess coming even if it starts,With omicron potentially spreading through the teams
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
So the best they can do is draft in some 35 year old to play SR..?
It seems that way.The Waratahs are a bit lost at the moment I think.
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
So the best they can do is draft in some 35 year old to play SR..?
He didn't really do much the last time in Super Rugby when he was with the Stormers...and he was 2 years younger then.
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Considering where the Tahs are (didn't win a single game last year, very young squad, late injury replacement) I don't think Roberts is an awful signing.
Injuries permitting he wouldn't be asked to start for the Tahs (Foketi 12, Perese 13) but they could definitely use more experience (probably off the field more than on the field in Roberts case).
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Super Rugby Pacific pre-season fixtures
Saturday, January 29Waratahs v Brumbies, Bowral
Friday, February 4
Moana Pasifika v Chiefs, Auckland
Crusaders v Highlanders, OamaruSaturday, February 5
Waratahs v West Harbour, Hunter Wildfires, Western Sydney Two Blues, Eric Tweedale Stadium, Parramatta
Hurricanes v Blues, Takapuna
Queensland Reds v Western Force, Ballymore StadiumThursday, February 10
Melbourne Rebels v Fijian Drua, Melbourne
Friday, February 11
Blues v Chiefs, Te Puke
Crusaders v Hurricanes, ChristchurchSaturday, February 12
Queensland Reds v Waratahs, Roma
Covid-19 disrupt Super Rugby pre-season fixtures
NEWS: Covid-19 restrictions have forced the cancellation of two Super Rugby Pacific pre-season fixtures less than a month out from the beginning of the new season.
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Queensland Reds move forward with new captains as James O'Connor relinquishes role
James O'Connor's flirtation with captaincy is over after the Queensland Reds' title-winning playmaker opted against returning to the role this year.
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Exclusive: New Zealand Rugby considering centralised Super Rugby Pacific hub to negate Omicron disruption threat | Newshub
Precautions are being taken to avoid the risk of a disrupted Super Rugby season.
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@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2022:
@chris said in Super Rugby 2022:
So the best they can do is draft in some 35 year old to play SR..?
It seems that way.The Waratahs are a bit lost at the moment I think.
more that the premier club Rugby here is dire.
