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@majorrage said in British Politics:
Can't see for the life of me how Boris can survive this latest scandal.
Rayner is walking all over him with ease at the moment.
Yeah he really should be gone after this and it’s a stupid thing to get shitcanned for -an outdoor drinks party ffs. But it is the lying and the hypocrisy that will likely do for him. If the Tories had a truly viable trusted alternative, I think the knives would have already been sharpened.
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@tewaio said in British Politics:
He's apologised for it, so he's now screwed based on how politics seems to work.
Did you watch it? It was rather predictable how it went down.
The glaring thing for me is the complete lack of support he had behind him.
After 4 years I still fail to see what the point of Blackford is other than simply to ask the PM to resign. I've never seen him any anything different. Literally offers no argument.
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His excuse that he didn't know it was a party just shows that he has learned nothing over the last year and a half since Castle Barnard and thinks that the public will swallow any old bollocks.
He needs to go now.
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@pakman said in British Politics:
If the independent enquiry isn't damning, the relative success of 2021 Covid strategy will see Boris right.
No one voted for his personal integrity.
You could be right. He’s been Mr Teflon seemingly for ever. But can it go on? Sooner or later it has to catch up with him surely?
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@catogrande said in British Politics:
@pakman said in British Politics:
If the independent enquiry isn't damning, the relative success of 2021 Covid strategy will see Boris right.
No one voted for his personal integrity.
You could be right. He’s been Mr Teflon seemingly for ever. But can it go on? Sooner or later it has to catch up with him surely?
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@gt12 said in British Politics:
Boris look like he is fighting them off in PMQs right now.
Didn't see the point in watching it today as was expecting the same old same old.
Looks like I was right & wrong. Tory MP defecting to Labour, Conservative MP's telling Boris he must go. Crazy stuff.
Had to agree with one comment. Boris is trying to convince the country he's stupid, not a liar.
And in amongst this, apparently Blackford stood up and demanded Boris resign!! Well I never!!
Very interesting couple of years coming up ..
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@gt12 said in British Politics:
Typically, thing got a bit bloodier after I stopped watching.
What do you reckon? I don't think anyone is in the position to push him out but I'm 10,000 miles away and just guessing.
It's still two years to the next GB election - there is a lot that can happen in those two years.
I think it's inevitable that Boris will be pushed by his party. He's clearly not going anywhere and is now banking on some ridiculous strategy to save his arse that I cannot get my head around. Sunak is the gold mine but I think he's much better off in the chancellors position. The problem at the moment is trying to reconcile conservative thinking with current post-pandemic fiscal positions. How can you raise taxes, continually try and control the population and be the conservative party? We are in the odd position of Labour fighting for Conservative values, whilst the Tories are becoming borderline socialists - and doing a piss poor job of it.
I'm not entirely sure that this current bunch is the right mob to turn it around. Yes, there are a few diamonds in there who can change things, but does anybody trust them? Not sure they do. The Conservatives need a 100% ground up complete overhaul.
The mismanagement of tax payers funds are a huge issue. The funding that goes into the NHS doesn't come out with the right product. It's bloated, backward thinking, fire fighting and in a lot of ways, arrogant. The coalface workers are brilliant, no question. But continual hiring of diversity officers, shithouse funding allocations & bloated middle management is pathetic. And yet, all the NHS doctors do is cry about funding - continuously. The second big thing to consider is the railways. HS2 and loads of trains are not required, and shouldn't be paid for. Union power though is very very strong. They need to sack 25% of the workforce minimum, but how can you do that? How do you sack a 55 year old 30 year rail worker who has no skills for anything else? Really tricky.
So I think it's up to Starmer. IF he continues to purge the left, and Corbyn sets up his own party & takes the crazy lefties with them, then they are at risk of splitting the Labour vote. However, they will be in a great position to take a lot of the blue, including my, vote.
My prediction is that Boris goes & a Tony Blairish style Labour gets in.
But there are far better UK Politics experts on this board than me - I'm merely a pup.
EDIT. This is what Starmer is up against.
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@gt12 said in British Politics:
Typically, thing got a bit bloodier after I stopped watching.
What do you reckon? I don't think anyone is in the position to push him out but I'm 10,000 miles away and just guessing.
Boris Johnson has been seen through, finally - I thought he was a dead-man-walking (for say 3-5 months) but today "elder statesman" David Davies put a real knife in him at PMQs - far more a significant a signal than that newbie MP I've never heard of joining Labour today. David Davies is Conservative to the core, MP since under Thatcher, was a senior (Brexit!) Minister under May etc and his voice will be heard loud and clear. He said he hasn't put in a no-confidence letter ... clear implication after what he said today being "yet". Once he does that publically, it will be a signal for 10-20+ to follow the next few days. All about timing now
I think there's at three who could push Johnson out (Truss or Sunak, vs Hunt) but the timing is really bad. Waves of bad news to come ... Sue Grey's report, Conservatives will get destroyed at the local elections in May, no doubt more stuff to come out of #10, inflation and inflation/cost of living etc. I thought they'd wait until after local elections but now I think they can't wait that long ...
When you hear that Gove (slimy as hell, zero wider appeal) or Priti Patel even being talked of for leadership you know the Tories need a complete reset as Johnson gutted the centrist "One World Conservative" movement. It's no longer "if" 54 votes will happen to trigger a vote of no-confidence will happen now, more about strategic thinking on "when"
... I reckon Sunak will be the next leader/PM simply as he had the least baggage
Next election: Starmer may be bland but he's not stupid. I reckon we'll see a lot of strategic voting next election - Labour (if smart) will have a behind-the-scenes agreement where they field candidates in electorates where LibDem are #2 to the Tories, but will put in zero effort/resources in those seats, Like the last by-election here which the LibDems won with a huge swing
... a Labour-LibDem coalition moving way back to the centre is my best guess
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Seems like chaos again this morning with claims of blackmail by the Whips, headlining in both the Telegraph and the Guardian
Also reported was that between three and seven no confidence letters were withdrawn overnight - the Telegraph seems to have an inside line on the numbers
My own take - it was getting too close to the 54 needed and wiser heads are now saying "cool it", likely because neither the main candidates nor the party grandees really want a leadership competition until all the sh*t has played out, maybe after the May local election results
Just amazing politics
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@l_n_p said in British Politics:
Next election: Starmer may be bland but he's not stupid.
I disagree. As a politician he's often shown he's as thick as mince.
Remember his Brexit policy? "Respect" the referendum result by negotiating a deal which mimicked staying in the EU as much as possible, put that deal to the public in a second referendum with the option to Remain and then campaign against the deal he'd just negotiated. Political masterstroke that.
Then yesterday he managed to build unity in a Conservative party tearing itself apart by his cack-handed "look at me" showmanship over Wakeford's defection. Real genius.
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@l_n_p said in British Politics:
Seems like chaos again this morning with claims of blackmail by the Whips, headlining in both the Telegraph and the Guardian
Also reported was that between three and seven no confidence letters were withdrawn overnight - the Telegraph seems to have an inside line on the numbers
My own take - it was getting too close to the 54 needed and wiser heads are now saying "cool it", likely because neither the main candidates nor the party grandees really want a leadership competition until all the sh*t has played out, maybe after the May local election results
Just amazing politics
Anything that comes out of Wakeford's mouth now can be taken with a pinch of salt. He's been one of the more scathing MP's of both Labour & the need for by-elections when MP's change their political party.
As for the talk of bullying ... well, they are called whips. Think about it.
I personally don't believe the blackmail part of it. I think facts were probably pointed out. That if you are part of the conservative party you have a greater say in where the funding goes, as opposed to being part of the opposition.
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@majorrage said in British Politics:
@l_n_p said in British Politics:
Seems like chaos again this morning with claims of blackmail by the Whips, headlining in both the Telegraph and the Guardian
Also reported was that between three and seven no confidence letters were withdrawn overnight - the Telegraph seems to have an inside line on the numbers
My own take - it was getting too close to the 54 needed and wiser heads are now saying "cool it", likely because neither the main candidates nor the party grandees really want a leadership competition until all the sh*t has played out, maybe after the May local election results
Just amazing politics
Anything that comes out of Wakeford's mouth now can be taken with a pinch of salt. He's been one of the more scathing MP's of both Labour & the need for by-elections when MP's change their political party.
As for the talk of bullying ... well, they are called whips. Think about it.
I personally don't believe the blackmail part of it. I think facts were probably pointed out. That if you are part of the conservative party you have a greater say in where the funding goes, as opposed to being part of the opposition.
Yep, saw a tweet from 'Young Labour' saying Wakeford is not welcome.
Consistently voted against Labour policies.
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