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@smudge said in NZ Politics:
@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
@smudge said in NZ Politics:
@tim Considering the Herald is now reporting that the slighted MP, Jacqui Dean, complained about it at the time five years ago and Bridges was spoken to by then-leader Bill English, then abso-fucking-lutely.
Jacqui is in the Class of 2005 alongside Judith and is very much a Collins fan.
I predict this will simply hasten the demise of Collins, and it will backfire badly on her.
your post aged well. I don't often get to say that in TSF (about posts in general, I hasten to add).
I have a few spies who feed me well on the National Party politics front. Although most of us didn't have a clue how today was going to pan out.
From afar it seemed spectacular. I'd be surprised if Bridges returns though he seems to have some enemies/non-believers to contend with.
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@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
@smudge said in NZ Politics:
@nostrildamus said in NZ Politics:
@smudge said in NZ Politics:
@tim Considering the Herald is now reporting that the slighted MP, Jacqui Dean, complained about it at the time five years ago and Bridges was spoken to by then-leader Bill English, then abso-fucking-lutely.
Jacqui is in the Class of 2005 alongside Judith and is very much a Collins fan.
I predict this will simply hasten the demise of Collins, and it will backfire badly on her.
your post aged well. I don't often get to say that in TSF (about posts in general, I hasten to add).
I have a few spies who feed me well on the National Party politics front. Although most of us didn't have a clue how today was going to pan out.
From afar it seemed spectacular. I'd be surprised if Bridges returns though he seems to have some enemies/non-believers to contend with.
Bridges has already thrown his hat into the ring. But if he wins the leadership he will not possibly win the next election or even come close. He's just too unlikeable. I'm not sure Luxton is the answer, but in the limited interactions I've seen in the media he seemed to handle himself well, he's certainly no Muller. IMHO they need to convince Bridges to set aside his ego and offer him the 2IC spot along with whatever portfolio he wants (a bit like the Key English situation). If he competes and loses, I can see him continuing to be a corrosive influence against the next leader at a time that the Nats need to show unity. In an ideal world they would come out on Monday and announce that it's all been settled behind closed doors to spare them from more conflict
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From Simon Bridges:
This morning I met with Chris Luxon and had a great discussion. I am withdrawing from the leadership contest and will be backing Chris. He will make a brilliant National leader and Prime Minister.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
From Simon Bridges:
This morning I met with Chris Luxon and had a great discussion. I am withdrawing from the leadership contest and will be backing Chris. He will make a brilliant National leader and Prime Minister.
Kudos to Simon. Now he will be a senior MP under the new leader, or even 2IC
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"Simon, I've got the numbers, you don't. Now, you can either stand, lose, and get sent straight to the backbench for eternity
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concede, save the Party some face, and I'll give you a decent job""upon discussions i have chosen not to stand because i believe in the other guy"
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@mariner4life said in NZ Politics:
"Simon, I've got the numbers, you don't. Now, you can either stand, lose, and get sent straight to the backbench for eternity
or
concede, save the Party some face, and I'll give you a decent job""upon discussions i have chosen not to stand because i believe in the other guy"
Probably. But if they have done a deal that was always going to be the best result for the sake of the party
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@taniwharugby that is a real pity. I wonder if Bridges read all the stuff about Nats needing an interim leader who will step aside or get rolled leading into the next election. So a clean break from crusher, see how Luxton goes as a relative novice, then either back him or roll him closer to the election.
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@machpants said in NZ Politics:
That's the same person, wig on and off, right?
Definitely a familial resemblance
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@machpants bit surprised Simon didnt push for Deputy, guess he should pick up a decent portfolio, similarly Reti, by all accounts widely respected, but doesnt strike me as leadership material, but a demotion none the less.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
@machpants bit surprised Simon didnt push for Deputy, guess he should pick up a decent portfolio, similarly Reti, by all accounts widely respected, but doesnt strike me as leadership material, but a demotion none the less.
I can't see Simon taking this course unless he got something worth stepping aside for. Finance perhaps?
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@aucklandwarlord said in NZ Politics:
Judging by this article, it looks like Dean brought this up with JC some weeks back, but she clearly sat on it and then rolled it out late at night as if it were an urgent matter. It also looks like she lied when she said that she had the unanimous backing of the board.
I feel a bit sorry for Jacqui Dean. If what she says is true, then she only brought it up as an example of how the Nats needed to have some robust policies in place, yet JC has thrown her squarely under the bus in using it for her own ends.
wow. how to bungee jump with a rocket launcher.
So she used the #metoo theme for collateral damage at her own convenience. All that crap about how it was a matter of principle for her when she just hoarded it to sabotage Bridges.
Will be interesting to see how Luxton rewards or punishes or ignores him.
I imagine Collins could now score the coveted post of Shadow Minister for the Auckland Islands. Or perhaps a little closer: https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/national/where-is-the-most-remote-spot-in-nz/ -
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@taniwharugby said in NZ Politics:
From Simon Bridges:
This morning I met with Chris Luxon and had a great discussion. I am withdrawing from the leadership contest and will be backing Chris. He will make a brilliant National leader and Prime Minister.
Kudos to Simon. Now he will be a senior MP under the new leader, or even 2IC
I wonder what "great" means.
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I'm sorry, I think Barnaby and Tony are out on their own there. And I'm not exactly a Bridges fan (but, and I might well be in a minority, I preferred Simon to Judith).
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LOL NZ is a small place. My uncle’s cousin is luxons mum, whom my mother went to school with. Only in godzone.
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An interesting pointer to just how fucked up Collins' acumen was
If the Nats had come out and described how Reti had taken time to go grassroots on the Vax programme and understand how it could be improved for sectors I would have been impressed that their words on the matter weren't hollow and/or sniping from a safe distance.
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@billy-tell said in NZ Politics:
LOL NZ is a small place. My uncle’s cousin is luxons mum, whom my mother went to school with. Only in godzone.
you're practically brothers
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@crucial said in NZ Politics:
An interesting pointer to just how fucked up Collins' acumen was
If the Nats had come out and described how Reti had taken time to go grassroots on the Vax programme and understand how it could be improved for sectors I would have been impressed that their words on the matter weren't hollow and/or sniping from a safe distance.
They did. Reti has been trying since January to have a different approach to get Maori vaccinated. He explained the issues, and predicted the current situation 11 months ago.
He was ignored by the government, who not long after was sending out advertising (propaganda) about how we could take longer with the vaccine rollout.
I've seen some articles about him going out all over the place to actually do the vaccinations himself.
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